The Chicane Podcast
Welcome to the Chicane Podcast, keeping you up to date on everything sim racing. As we venture into this dynamic realm of esports and virtual racing, we'll be exploring a variety of topics, from the cutting-edge gear that's transforming the way we race to the newest games, hardware and software that are pushing the boundaries of what's possible in this virtual sport. We'll also be giving you an inside look into the lives of some of the top virtual racers in the world, through in-depth interviews that will give you a unique perspective on what it's like to compete at the highest level in this rapidly evolving eSport. So, buckle up and get ready for an unforgettable ride as we take you right into the cockpit of this exciting digital racing world.
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A Guide to Large Monitors/TVs for Sim Racing
The ultimate display upgrade dilemma: are triple 42" OLED monitors worth it for sim racing? We dive deep into the reality behind this immersive but demanding setup, exploring everything from connectivity challenges to performance requirements that no one tells you about.
Making the jump from curved 32" monitors to flat 42" OLEDs isn't just about size—it fundamentally transforms how games look and feel. The catch? You'll need serious GPU power to compensate for the lack of G-Sync when connecting these massive displays to your PC. We break down the honest pros and cons, including the surprising benefits of flat panels for UI elements and the jaw-dropping OLED contrast that makes night racing feel incredibly realistic.
We also examine SimMagic's clever new QRA quick release adapter that finally allows third-party wheels on their direct drive bases, and analyze Moza's aggressive entry into the high-torque direct drive market with their 21nm and 25nm offerings. How do they stack up against established players like Asetek at similar price points? The ecosystem matters as much as raw specs.
For those planning a motion rig journey, this episode provides valuable insights on preparing your setup gradually—from strategic cable management to positioning considerations that will save you headaches later. Whether you're looking to upgrade displays, wheelbases, or your entire rig, we offer practical advice based on real-world experience to help you make informed decisions.
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This episode is brought to you by Trophyai. We discuss all things in the sim racing world. I'm your host, jason Rivera, and I'm joined here by Mr Eric Kelly and Jeff Smart. How is everybody doing this week? How's it going?
Erick:Doing good man. We can officially count down to the Sim Expo in hours. I don't have the number, but we're days away.
Jason:So we're not counting down anything because technically oh shit, okay, the Expo already happened.
Jeff:I guess that's one way to look at it, we survived.
Jason:Well, technically right.
Jeff:Well, we don't know about that yet.
Jason:There's no marks on my face, there's no body tattoos, there's no Tyson tattoo or whatever. We survived the expo. But I mean, yeah, we're excited, obviously when we're recording this Dude.
Jeff:I yeah, go ahead. I'm sorry to cut you off, but I think we've been counting down since like 117 days or something. Like in springtime we were like I don't want to wish summer away, but when summer ends we're ready to go. And here we are, dudes Like Jason and I leave tomorrow for the X-Files.
Jason:This is it.
Jeff:We are here, man.
Jason:We are here, man, we are here, we leave tomorrow and we flying overnight. Overnight, yeah, I guess, if that's what you call it, I won't speak.
Erick:On my flight I was between flying and driving. I hope they give me ice cream, bro.
Jason:I hope I got ice cream for my future self. You better book some nice tickets to get ice cream. Oh yeah, you better book some nice tickets to get ice cream. Oh yeah, they better give me ice cream. Jeff, I want to hear it.
Jeff:So yeah, we're gonna have to cowboy up um thursday night when we get there for real to make sure jet lag doesn't crush us for the week. But I am ready, I'm pumped, can't wait. I'm sure george is like hey, dudes, I'll still take my two days of work I get to do but at this point he's done right. He's listening to this, putting his feet up having a cocktail.
Jason:I don't think so bro.
Jeff:He's busy building rigs and setting up. Well, I mean like when he's listening to this podcast on Monday, oh yeah.
Erick:Probably instantly dropped 10, 15 pounds of stress weight.
Jason:Well, with all the rigs that he was building. Yeah, of course they were posting pictures on the warehouse. I was complaining about modifying my single rig. That's 20, 30 rigs that they built over there.
Jeff:It's kind of nuts. I can't imagine that's hard to wrap your head around. Yeah, so anyways, how?
Jason:wrap your head around. Yeah, so anyways how was your? Week. How was the week? How was our past week before the Expo? I guess I haven't even packed yet. That's kind of where I'm at right now. We're recording this. I need to edit and publish this and then get ready to get on a plane, but that's pretty much my oh. I have more news, of course you can see it behind me, but I'll talk about that later. But Jeff and Eric, how was your week? Oh yeah, anything crazy happen.
Erick:Nah, man just enjoyed Labor Day weekend that just passed, so spent some time with the family and, uh, got to enjoy some football. So you know it, it went pretty well. A long weekend is always appreciated.
Jeff:That's good. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't do a whole heck of a lot this weekend. This week, Um, I got back in the rig and did some VR flying. And then I jumped in and did some VR driving. And it's like for me, if I don't do VR, if I don't drive or fly in VR, and then I do it for a bit and I'm like, oh man, I forgot how freaking cool this is. So I go like ebbs and flows of monitors in VR and currently I am deep down the VR rabbit hole. So I hope to test some other setups at the expo and stuff. But yeah, it's just weird, that's how I go. So I'm currently in a VR time frame.
Jason:In a VR phase. I guess For someone that has triples right, nothing wrong with VR users, but I think we all go through that. I think we all. It's so new, I guess, and you're just getting into the combat sims. Honestly, bro, vr is the only way for combat sims, because to look up all the way up and behind you it's kind of impossible to do with triple monitors. You could use a device like toby um eye tracker or track ai that tracks your head movements, but it's, it's still not the same.
Jeff:You know what you said, jason, hit the nail on the head, like driving you. Triple monitors is is great, um, but when you get in an f18 and you're looking behind you at the, you know the guy trying to get behind you or you're doing an actual loop and you can look back and see yeah, you're doing a roll and you're changing direction using all axes.
Jason:Incredible.
Jeff:Incredible. But racing 50-50. I can't imagine doing triples in the combat. Dcs is what I'm flying now, but it's just nice to every now and again jump back into it like man.
Jason:this is pretty cool yeah, yeah, I mean, and it's dcs is free, uh, you got to pay for the planes, but, um, and before we get into this week's um you know news update, which I will announce, um, I do want to discuss, uh, some things that, some comments that were left out for us on the or for me on the last episode, and I want to, I want to let you all know that I thoroughly enjoy reading those. That is, that is my newspaper in the morning, because I get to correct you right here on the show. So let me go ahead and share my screen and show you guys, and I want I honestly I just want an explanation to what exactly does this mean? Because there's a subscription model with LMU. There's no secret. There's a free, there's a mid-tier, there's a high-tier. I'm going to show you a screen grab that I just grabbed from their website. The subscription is called Race Control.
Erick:Yeah.
Jason:If you see on the free side, right f r? E? E, do you see anything that says anything about reporting drivers? No, I see it down here under the pro, under the uh monthly or annual and or subscription whatever. So if it is indeed free in the sim, I haven't tried it because we're getting ready to go to the expo, we're getting ready for bigger and better things, we're getting ready to have some fun and meet all those creators. But I just wanted to show you that either LMU, either their subscription is a false advertisement, or there's a version of the game they made a change to the game that I don't know about that either LMU, either their subscription is a false advertisement, or there's a version of the game.
Jason:They made a change to the game that.
Jeff:I don't know about. I wonder if it's that if you have the Pro or Pro Plus, this says priority. Your report goes to the top of they might not have 100 N NIM crosses. Looking at stuff.
Jason:They got three. Okay, but why should I pay?
Jeff:for priority reporting. Why, yeah, why should.
Erick:I pay for that Because they're trying to make money.
Jason:You know, I have to compare it because iRacing is the direct competitor when it comes to reporting people. You know, not because they're both subscription based, but there is no priority. You submit a report and you get an answer in 24 hours or less. I think, jeff, you went through that one time, right. How long did it take you to get your report submitted?
Jeff:Submitted, it's obviously instantaneous.
Jason:But, like.
Jeff:You get a response back saying, hey, we received all the documentation, it was probably inside three days, Okay, and obviously you don't know what the end result is which kind of grinds my gears a little bit, but at least you get a response from saying, hey, we've got it We've made a decision. It's closed out.
Jason:Okay, so three days right.
Jeff:Give or take.
Jason:A lot of people will probably say well, three days is a long time, but if you watch our episode with Nimcross, we were being told that over a thousand reports a day were being submitted and oh and, by the way, the masses are on iRacing. That is just a fact of life, so I'll leave it there. I love LMU drivers, I respect you, even Dave Cam, so if you don't know what Dave Cam is, you can go and watch his video. He had some comments to say about LMU and it's just things that we need to voice to make things better, because if we don't voice them, then things don't change. You can't invoke change without the voice telling you that there needs to be a change. This isn't a bash session, right? I don't have. I mean, it is fun reading the comments, right?
Jeff:They keep us honest too, right, yeah, you know we'll get to the bottom of this, one way or the other.
Jason:The purpose of us bringing it forward is for it to become, for it to be known. That is, for it to become for it to be known that, hey, there's better options, there's better things out there, you know. And if there is a better thing, then why not make it better? If you know something is wrong, if I told you something is wrong with your shoe and a hundred other people told you something's wrong with your shoe and you still don't fix your shoe, then you got a problem. You know what I mean. That's on you. So, and with that guys, let's get into the hey.
Jeff:we'll read your comments. If you got something to say, put it in the comments. Put it in the comments.
Jason:I'm ready, I'm excited for those.
Jeff:Or send a detailed email.
Jason:Oh, a detailed email would be nice. I would love to address those and the guys here. Of course they you know any email that comes into our inbox I share with them. So we have six eyes on a single topic, which is kind of cool, kind of cool, but um, for today's sim industry news update, there is a new piece of tech which I kind of wish that other manufacturers did. Um, but sim magic seems to be on the game of um, paying attention a little, a little, more a little and in more detail to what people actually want, and they came out with a QR system. Let me get it up for you guys. Here it is right. Here it's the QRA that being displayed. Yes, it is, it's the QRA. And this QR is basically it enables third-party support, because the SimMagic has the pins in the front that give the wheel power. So this allows you to run a USB cable through it. So let me read the specs here while you guys get to enjoy that high res picture there.
Jeff:Looks wicked cool. I don't know how it works yet, but it looks wicked cool. It's an NRG style QR with some SIM magic branding on there. Looks wicked cool. I don't know how it works yet, but it looks wicked cool.
Jason:It's an NRG style QR with some SimMagic branding on there. It says SimMagic's newest wheelbase, the Alpha Evo, is one of the brand's most popular products ever released. It's with three varying options of power, so you have 9, 12, and 18 newton meters with those. So with this new QRA quick release, simmagic has opened the door for third-party wheels. So now you can. It's basically a plug and play compatibility device. You would there's a video you would plug it in. You would plug a wire from the wheel into and run it through the QR release, through that hole that you guys see there. Then it says you know, it's kind of awesome because I think Daniel, Dan Suzuki not Daniel, shout out Danny Newman, dan Suzuki, not Daniel, shout out Danny Newman, but Dan Suzuki had created a mod that essentially replicates what this is doing. And then we also have a. Let me see.
Jeff:You got any other pictures of that thing working?
Jason:No, not, not, so can you go back?
Jeff:to the picture Right. So the wire, so the cable goes through.
Jason:I'm just trying to see how it works. So the cable goes through this hole, okay, and then it connects behind. It connects behind into your wheel. This is your wheel base. You see the wheel base here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and some wheels have USB-C already ready, like my Asher wheel has a USB-C, so you can technically run a wire through there.
Jeff:Okay, so my Solpec is not going to be able to be compatible with that, at least with the wire they're talking about.
Erick:Right, they got a list.
Jason:Look right here. Here's the list, right? Look right here, here's the list. I just mentioned it the McLaren Artura Ultimate and all the McLarens Artura series, even the GT4. And Cube Control. I know Cube Control had a proprietary system. They were thinking way ahead of the game when they first came out with their wheels, and gsi also is marked as compatible with these. So it's an option for you sim magic viewers out there. I'll post the video or display it here. Um, if I can find one of the demonstration of it being connected, because that would have been, I think that would have been nice to have that here, I hope not kind of pile onto this point is.
Jeff:I would hope that most of the manufacturers would go this direction, cause it's it sucks. Having the coil, the wire, coiled around your you know the, the shaft of the DD, the direct drive unit. It just it's not clean. You know what I mean. You get all this nice stuff there and then you get this coiled cable around the quick connect. It just sucks. You got a super nice wheel and then you got some my words ratty-ass wires wrapped around the DDU.
Jason:It's not a polished product. I got some more illustrations just in case, Because we do have. I'm on their official website here just to give you guys a little more perspective.
Erick:So it has both. Oh, okay, that's nice.
Jason:So, basically, nrg releases, and most of them they come with both patterns, but in the United States, like, 99% of you will be using this pattern, which is the 70, which is the, you know, the most common one, right? So then let me see if I can find, see if it shows. Yeah, it doesn't show.
Jeff:It doesn't show it just yet.
Jason:Yeah, maybe there's a guide. If there is a guide, I will post it in the oh, here we go, are you guys? Let me share this. Hold on To give you guys more.
Erick:Because when I explain.
Jason:You know, have I explained something? I know how it goes, but having a visual, right.
Jeff:Was this only good for the Evo line?
Jason:I think so.
Jeff:yes, Not to put you on the spot, but I thought that's what I heard, that's what you said, which kind of sucks.
Jason:But as Eric and I are OGs of SITMAGIC stuff, so here's how that wire exactly how the wire gets plugged into the QR, which is plugged into the base and then it feeds itself out into the wheel, into the wheel base. This is your yeah, this is your wheel base and it does work for the Alpha, because the Alpha has built-in USBs on it too, so you could just plug the other you know the other end of the cable to the base. So essentially it'll make your wheel wireless If you have a third party non-Ssim magic wheel. So again, I'll leave links to all these illustrations so you guys can figure out if this thing is worth it. Um, you know, if it's worth your time or, um, I don't have.
Jason:Yes, the price on this is 8989. So it depends on which one you get to, because they have three different versions. If you have the 18 Newton meter or, excuse me, it's only one version, but it looks like they have a bundle system now with it If you want to buy the 18 Newton. If you want to buy the 18 Newton, then you'll pay $788 for the 18 Newton, $638 for the 12 Newton and $488 for the nine Newton motor. And they all come bundled with this quick release with the QRA, which is kind of cool.
Jason:I think it's a good step in the right direction that someone is looking at this in a different lens and thinking above right, thinking ahead, because the Dan Suzuki mod that's definitely happening over here. So those are on order, they're coming in and I'll give my honest thoughts on those as well when they do. But that's going to be it for today's simistry. It seems like no shortage of products coming still, and, on top of all the reveals that we've already seen at the expo, we haven't seen them yet, but by the time of this recording we did did see them. So we'll be updating you on those, and then I guess I'll roll right in into the main discussion. As you can see back here, this is TGSR's 2.0 rig.
Jeff:I feel like we need a drum roll or something I know.
Jason:That was pretty good. Actually, that was pretty good. Actually, that was pretty good. So I made the plunge upgrade to triple 42 OLED screens, and the reason for 42 is if-.
Jeff:Let them know, Jason, let them know.
Jason:Oh yeah, this is coming. The screen is here. I literally have this much from my desk, you see that. So space was the biggest thing. That was the number one thing. And then the monitor stand that I have, which is a Sim Lab, holds up to 43 inches of each monitor. So 42 is kind of playing with the margins, like to the absolute max, like there's no room for error. If it was any larger than if it was 43.1, it won't fit. You know what I mean. So and then I started thinking I was like you know I made an Instagram video. If you guys follow, I appreciate know I made an Instagram video. If you guys follow, I appreciate that. Um, I made an Instagram video show showcasing what I did to the rig on top of the top monitor too, which is new, that has a 32 inch now up there, because 27 just looked weird. It just didn't look. It looked out of place Minuscule.
Jeff:Looked like a little iPad up there.
Jason:Looked like a tablet Exactly. So I started thinking and I was like man I did. I've been doing some research now because this is kind of my journey into motion. You know I spoke to you before about if you want to build a motion rig, you got to do it right. You can't just buy a motion and figure, buy a motion kit and then figure it out later. Buy a motion kit and then figure it out later. You have to have some sort of plan.
Jason:So the first step was wiring the rig and making sure that the rig was wired, pretending that it has motion right, Having a single cable coming out through the front up to the monitor, and that single cable is 16 feet, which is absolute overkill of amount of slack. But I don't want nothing to catch or nothing to ever have a reason to break or snap something. So that was step one. Step two was the wheelbase, which I'm waiting for and I'm happy to say that I'm giving my old wheel deck to Eric and hook him up. We got to hook my brother up, man, so he'll be getting that as soon as SimCore ships me something, and it's been like three weeks.
Jeff:So Eric and I are going to have the same setup, the same direct drive unit, the same face I got him some Apex pods, bro.
Jason:They're carbon fiber, they have buttons, they have. I'm going to miss those a little. I ain't going to lie. I looked at them and I was like damn bro, those are fire. Rob Markman.
Jeff:Yeah, you flip it up and the light comes on. Press the button for the push start.
Jason:Hell yeah, I got to take care of my, my boy man. So I was like yo, eric's new, he's the newest one, he's not new, but he's the newest one to building. He's still building. And I was like man, I'm going to get him this and I'm going to, instead of selling it, what am I going to get for this? I figured I just anyway, I'm going too deep, I'm getting emotional. It's my boy, I'm about to meet him, even though I already. It's my boy, I'm about to meet him, even though I already met him. I'm not going to stop mentioning this future tense shit. It's weird. So that was.
Jason:Step two is finding a base and then measuring out how far of a distance this right here is the exact distance that it would be even if it had motion on. And I'm just training the eye to race that way. That way, when I put motion on the rig that it doesn't really change. There's not a big chain reaction of changes. You know what I mean? Like I'm further back. This and this the monitors are bigger. Oh, it's all happening too fast. It's all happening too fast. So I'm trying to gradually work my way into getting it dialed in.
Jason:So the hardest part of this whole thing was the TVs. How do you connect these TVs to a PC that only has one HDMI port? And if you're using converters, do you have G-Sync? Does VRR work? Do they even turn on? Can you even display triple screens on them? So those were questions that I had, and I scoundered the internet and I can find videos from 2021 that didn't really explain much. So I'm here to help. For those of you that already have a rig and are looking to expand to a bigger display, right, if you're in that market for them, I'm here for you and I want to tell you that, as of right now, there's no way to get G-Sync or VRR on these monitors the way they're connected. There's not a single connector out there that exists. And if it does exist, send me the link. I don't care how much it is, just send it to me, send it to the chicanepodcast at gmailcom.
Jason:So how do you fight, how do you game with a system that can't do VRR or G-Sync Raw power? If your PC can barely handle triple screens or it can barely handle 1440p gaming, then I would stick to your 32 inch TVs. But if you go any larger than 42 and you try and render 4K on all three, even with a 4090, I can barely break 90 FPS on a 4090. And I know the 5090 is out and I'm pretty sure we're talking about a 10 to 20 frame difference. I can almost guarantee that because there's not much that's changed with them and especially in a sim like iRacing that doesn't support DLSS. So you see, iracing isn't perfect either. If it had DLSS then no problem, I can run. I get like 300 frames in ACC because I'm using downsampling DLSS.
Jason:So, in a nutshell, is you got to decide what's important to you? Immersion is very important factor, but the reality is that at its current state you need performance to combat not having what do you call this G-Sync and going back to an older thing called V-Sync and reducing the frame rates and keeping it trying to sync it up together. Right now it's running buttery smooth and that's because of the hardware that I have back there, because if I didn't have that hardware I would be in a world of pain because now I have triple 42 monitors that I might have to drop the 1080p, and at that point I didn't do anything, I made it worse. So those are things that I couldn't get anybody to tell me. It's kind of like. I couldn't find a video that would tell me. They would tell you how to mount them, they would tell you how to plug them in, they would tell you how nice they are.
Jason:But I'm here to tell you that you need to be cognizant and be realistic about what kind of machine you're plugging these into, and that's, that's about it for monitors. So big monitors is a big change. They are excellent. There are no cons other than what I just mentioned. I'm fighting the con with performance, but any other sim that has DLSS, no problem, absolutely no problem, absolutely no problem. And my main sim, my racing. I had to reduce some of my cap frames just a little bit to compensate for that V-sync. But I think, eric, you have questions I want to hear them.
Erick:Yeah, I think probably the big one that a lot of people have, going from curved triples to flat panels. What's been the experience like there?
Jason:So I'm going to be honest with you. I started with Curb 32 Samsungs G7s. That's how the rig was built, so I didn't know any better. We have single monitors, but I never had a triple flat screen environment. There's a lot of benefits for it being flat man, because it being flat it's a lot easier to line up. It was way easier to basically have a window and maximize it, and it be true to size.
Jason:When you add curved monitors, you're essentially warping an image is what you're doing. You're warping a UI element that wasn't designed to warp, but you're warping it anyway. You know what I'm saying. So when you look at something that's on a flat panel, it just looks right, it reads right. I don't know Cons. I would say the only cons is the width. Oh yeah, my width increased Dramatically. It may not look like this on camera, but I promise you it's from that monitor, excuse me, from that monitor, or, for those on the audio side, from my left monitor all the way to the right monitor is 71 inches, 71 inches wide, and this is a 42 display If you went with a 48,.
Jeff:Oh my God, you know what I mean Because I think, to put in perspective, mine is 51 and change.
Jason:Yeah, that sounds about right, yep. Because, you have that curvature that hugs you more. The benefits, Jeff, you would love this because you're a big dude. You might not look big on the camera, but Jeff's a big guy, bro. He's like Shaq. You know what I'm saying. You can come in this rig. There's so much room and it makes the rig feel more of a console than anything Not a game console, but an actual flight console. It makes it look a lot bigger than what it actually is. You know what I mean.
Jeff:Yeah, because you had the 1000R. That was super tight and it was tight getting into your rig. Mine's 1500, so it's not curved as tight, but yours was super tight, so I'm sure you're enjoying, you know.
Jason:I think my monitors will come to here or something like this, maybe a little more, and I would literally have to suck the stomach in.
Jeff:Yeah you could get in before dinner, but after dinner was a little bit more difficult.
Jason:You had to take a detox, bro, before you get in there, so which is kind of cool. So that's one of the benefits. Um, and, of course, the oled display. Um, I know they make oled monitors, but oled it's hard. I've been sending these guys pictures and videos, but it's really hard.
Jeff:It's really hard, it's freaking mint.
Jason:It's really hard. So, okay, this feels like I just got into sim racing again. That's how it felt, you know, when you first got your rig and all you wanted to do was just well, let me see what this game looks like. Well, let me see what this card looks like. And now let me see. That's where I'm at right now and that's how come I got bags over my eyes because I've been staying up late tinkering and finding the right color settings and everything. So again, this is phase two, because I'm pretty sure my future self has tried motion and wants motion, and the guys here they want, everybody wants motion.
Jason:It's just that not everybody wants to pay for motion nobody wants to pay for motion exactly, but we all want it.
Jeff:So hey, before you close this up, I do have a comment, a question for you yeah, go ahead um go ahead. Bezel eliminator. What's your plan?
Jason:I ordered custom ones, my man. But as you can see how thin that bezel is, it is.
Jason:It is tiny, bro, it's like a millimeter, maybe two millimeters. I got these guys off of Etsy. I can leave a link for them. I'll shout them out, no problem. And um, they made me a cut and they made it 21 point inches, 21.6 to the to the millimeter, and they're custom fitted just for these uh monitors. All right, and it sucks because the the other ones that that I had the aces, um, which I'm donating to Mr Kelly to force him into triples sooner, faster, get him in there. I blame.
Erick:Jason.
Jason:Because you know, I rather I don't know the plastic would touch the screen and you would have to fit them and they didn't fit right. But again, those are our problems with curved monitors, because if I had flat monitors then that film would lay flat, it wouldn't be puffed out because the screen is curving. That's another con with curved screens. Now there's a lot of benefits with curved screens now. You save a lot of room. If you don't have that kind of room but you want big screens, that's how you can achieve that, by having that curvature, and it's a little more immersive, right? Because if you compare the 32, a 32 inch, it hugs you, but it's only 16 high, so it only hugs you to about there.
Jason:You know what I mean. You know 21 inches is going to go all the way down here. So your, your peripheral view is kind of like here and it's kind of dope. You can see down into the seat belt, you can see down into the window of the car. You know what I mean. There's a lot of, there's a lot of trade-off. I am super happy with it. Um, and if anybody has questions, if you have any like if you are on the fence and you're not sure about what to do. I'm here to help you.
Jeff:What model did you get? If you could let everybody know.
Jason:I got the LG. I should have said that Good call, jeff. I got the LG OLED C5 TVs. There are TVs, and the beauty of these TVs is that they have Dolby Vision for PC already built in, baked in. I think it's one of the first TVs to do it, and 144 hertz, which is a first for an OLED TV that I know of. Eric can probably back me up that's the first.
Erick:Well, there was like NVIDIA TV.
Jeff:Okay.
Erick:It was way back, though, but as far as TVs that people actually buy, commercial right.
Jeff:I can't imagine how much that TV cost yeah.
Erick:It's not like a gaming TV. It's like a legitimate TV that just so happens to be an excellent gaming monitor.
Jason:So these guys have VR and G-Sync. The thing is that because I'm converting the signal to DisplayPort, I lose those features. But I'm hopeful for a 6090 or an adapter that comes out in the future. But so far I don't have issues with running games without G-Sync at all. I don't have issues with running games without G-Sync at all and I did a three-hour live stream the other day to prove that in the Ferrari challenge and I didn't lose time, I didn't get slower, nothing. It was a quick transition. It was more of an immersion change than anything, so highly recommended.
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Erick:For whatever reason, when they call something a monitor, when you get to like 40 something inches, the price gets crazy. But a TV is. You know that's a small TV but it's a huge monitor. So, to your point, you know having something with, you know display ports on it the size would be crazy.
Jason:It is crazy to think about, because when you say 42 inch, you don't think, you think that's just a 42. But when you sit in front of a 42, that close, they look enormous. You know what I mean. They look I wouldn't want. I tell you now, guys, I wouldn't want anything bigger than a 42, because a 48, which is what I originally wanted the monitor would have came all the way past the screen, probably about here. That's the side monitor and we got to compensate for that center monitor. That's going to come all the way this way and it's possible away. Yeah, that's a lot of space, not in here. I just got to buy a new house to fit your rig in.
Jeff:I just need a way and it's possible away. Yeah, that's a lot Not in here. I just got to buy a new house to fit your rig in.
Jason:I just need a new house. There you go, yeah man.
Erick:So we'll figure that one out later.
Jason:But even with a 48 display or a 55, you're sitting so far back that, yes, you have that immersion thing, but then everything around you is now visible, like the floor things around you. So I think 42 or even even 48 still is is kind of a sweet spot. I, I, I think I wouldn't want anything larger than these, especially here, no way. Um, then the top monitor had to be upgraded. I think I mentioned that it. I had a had a 27 inch on the top and it just didn't look right. Because now I'm sitting, now the rig is positioned in front of the rig and it used to be that the monitors were sitting in like basically right, just on my shaft, on the wheel shaft, yeah, and then looking up, you look up and it looks fine because you're right there.
Jason:But when you move the entire thing behind it and you're looking, at it at this angle, going up like that, then it looks kind of small. Yeah, it's doable. And that one is not OLED. We don't need that top monitor to be OLED. You can go over and get you. You know what I'm saying, Timo. Go over and get whatever.
Erick:I just went with an.
Jason:LG, a regular, what is it? 1440p, that's fine for the top monitor, rob Markman.
Erick:Yeah, rob Markman, yeah, rob Markman, ips Rob.
Jason:Markman.
Erick:So I did have one other question, knowing that you went from non-OLED to OLED. One thing I think about a lot for my TV is glare. Has that been an issue for you? Because I have an older OLED I know that was. I had to buy blackout curtains and everything to try to control that. Have they gotten any better with those?
Jason:new ones. That is a great point and I should have. So I make sure that the lights are off because I can see the light bulb of my light inside the screen. So that is one thing. You do need a relatively dark room to really appreciate them. So, eric, you are correct, but this room is fully lit and, as you can see now, the chicane is reflecting on a black screen, but because it's black, but as soon as I get color, there's no reflections on this one. So it does decent. It does a decent job.
Erick:Okay. So it gets bright enough to kind of combat that. Yes, it does. Okay, that was it does a decent job, it's just so it gets bright enough to kind of combat that. Yes, it does Okay.
Jason:That was Ideally a pitch dark room and you will appreciate it even more because the blacks are just murdered out. Blacks, I mean it's off. They're black, it means off. It's great, and I tuned it to. I took a car on iRacing on a track that doesn't have lights and the sim was warning me that this track doesn't have lights. You race at your own risk. It's kind of cool. It did that, oh wow. And then you go on the track and you turn the lights off on the car. And that's when I was fine adjusting the actual black levels of the monitor to make sure that when light comes into the cockpit that I can still see detail. I didn't want it to be just pitch black, but when I use my phone and take pictures of it, it doesn't. It doesn't no, no, it's not the same. But now you can see the image change. There's really no reflections going on. You guys take a look and see.
Jeff:And you got a really, really nice room with your rigs, jason, where you can control the lights and stuff like that. Yeah, it's a great you know designed room for a rig.
Jason:And I mean even your rig, I mean your room, jeff. I see it now, especially since you race at night, you take full advantage of these. If you decided that you wanted to make the jump for OLED displays, you come over, bro. I don't want to come over. It's all over for you. I don't want to come over.
Jeff:I don't want to come over.
Erick:It's all over for you, dude, I'm telling you-'s trying to make us all spend this money, man. That's why I blame Jason.
Jason:This is five years in the making, guys. This isn't that. I just did this overnight, so just know that. Okay, and Labor Day, sale happened and I couldn't. I was like dude, we recorded the episode on the podcast. I have one week to build this back here, because I didn't want no construction zone back there. It needed to be a fitness thing for you guys, or to have a nice look, presentable. I mean, I could have cheated, right, eric? I could have just thrown all this shit in this chair and you would have never seen nothing. But I didn't know what it was going to look like. I didn't know that the chair was. I didn't know.
Erick:But yeah, the chair, I was trying to give you an out. I was like man, you can kind of play it up. Get you some little yellow under construction tape.
Jason:I looked for it man. I looked for it man, I found some, and I was like, nah, I don't know man.
Jeff:It Like nah, I don't know man, it's going to look weird Fuzzy background. When it's all done, we will clear this background up, but until then, that would have been interesting, I think.
Erick:Yeah, I don't blame you. I would not have slept until those old ladies were up, though I can't lie. I tell you what though?
Jeff:You got this new toy, new thing you want to get out there yeah.
Jason:Yeah, yeah, when things are different, I will say this, guys, things are different when you already have all the cables routed. You already have all the hardware installed in place, you know where it goes. So the hardest thing was changing the wires instead of going forward to backward, and what I did was I mounted. Thank you, michael from the Sim Racing Den for giving me some advice, because they have motion rigs. He has a motion rig and he was sharing some of his ideas, ideas and, yeah, I mounted a 16 port down there underneath the seat, um, uh, bolted onto the profile.
Jason:So anything that's going on with the rig is down here and it's it's significantly easier to work on, because now there's not a nightmare of cables back there. The only cables that are back there are particularly the soundbar, which is up here top of the thing, the monitor, the lights, the TVs themselves and the screen and my cameras for streaming and lighting. That's it, and I like it like that because I can go back there. It's a nice opportunity to do cable management, because doing this just for the heck of it, I would have never, never, done that.
Jeff:I think it's like you get the rig just the way you want it, with cable management and then, like tweaking stuff here and there and eventually it's the bird's nest that you're just dreading. Going back there and cleaning.
Jason:You rip it all apart and start over.
Jeff:It's like I'm to the point Like I don't even want to move my body because behind me it's like a dumpster fire Cables everywhere that just have to get recleaned up. But I'm pumped for you, dude. It looks cool. Can't wait to eventually get over there and check it out.
Jason:If I'm pumped for you, dude, it looks cool. Can't wait to eventually get over there and check it out. If you come over, it's all over.
Jeff:But I welcome you to come over anytime you want.
Jason:I've always said I got my eye on it and again this isn't a flex. It's not a flex. I'm truly trying to be that person that you can ask a question, Because I took a risk with a lot of money. I came home with these. I didn't know what the hell was going to happen when I plugged these in. You know what I mean? Yeah, I just I picked them up and I wired everything all in good faith and I installed them, hooked them up and I was like I turned the PC on.
Jason:I was like sweet baby Jesus, please let this work. It's like okay, okay, we posted, we're good. And then some fine tweaking and I don't have any frame stutters, I don't have any latency, I don't have any lag, I'm still getting. I lock my frame rate at 120 because I dual stream. I like to have a little more bandwidth for the stream so that way everything runs smooth, everything runs on a single PC. If I had a streaming PC then I could probably abuse more of the power, but I think 120 is plenty for anybody. That's another discussion that we could talk about.
Jason:Because, there's apparently superhumans out there that can see over 120 frames a second and they'll probably drop a comment, and I love you all and I welcome you to drop a comment below or email us. That would be great. We'll be at the expo, though, while you're typing that away, or we'll be to drop a comment below or email us that would be great.
Erick:I don't know who you are.
Jason:We'll be at the expo, though, while you're typing that away, or we'll be. Yeah, we'll still be in Chicago area Monday.
Jeff:I think the better answer to that is, even if you could like you're sacrificing other things Like you could be refreshing a better quality picture.
Jason:That's okay, that's okay.
Jeff:You know to like, to what end You're going to add more you could be getting.
Jason:No, it's just talking points. Oh, I got 400 frames, a second that I can't even see. Oh, and the monitor can't even refresh that high, exactly. Yeah, so the 400 frames is irrelevant. Yeah, that's like taking a a glass of water right and filling it and and fill it all the way to the top and letting the water spill out. You can't, you can't, you can't fill it.
Jeff:This can't drink it as fast as it's exactly the cup.
Jason:The cup is only. The cup has a capacity. You pass the capacity, you're just wasting frames. The frames are just going into frame space.
Jeff:You get some frames. Everybody gets frames, you get some frames, frames for everybody.
Erick:Exactly.
Jason:It's rain and frames. You know what I'm saying.
Erick:Yeah, man.
Jeff:Well, hopefully we will have had some time in some motion rigs and uh podium.
Jason:One will be there, and that means that cubic will be there, and cubic is the one that I am. Have the tractor beam on me too.
Jeff:You too, okay, good I think for a different product, different for the bts the the belt tensioner you damn right.
Jeff:I'm looking at that so that's another thing, that because I think you can you can invoke motion that way too like there's a lot of tensioner and you're gonna want motion one thing leads to another a lot of dudes in the flight sim world use it because it can simulate acceleration and g's, so I view it as hey. I could get some double use out of it in racing and in the flight. Just need to find a place here in Conus that has it. It's brutal having finding anybody here in the States that has it, but yeah, I hope to give it a try. Well, yeah, I mean maybe convince them to sell me one there, I there.
Erick:I mean that would be, hey man, you don't have to lock this thing home yeah, hey. Smart man, that's the idea right there. Man Check it.
Jason:There's so many things over there that we haven't seen yet but we've seen yet.
Jeff:You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I know we're pumped. If you can't tell.
Jason:Yeah, yeah, we're ecstatic. I'm more happy to see the people. I'm more happy to meet Eric and meet Michael and hang out with the guys. The formal interviews that we have lined up they're awesome. They're awesome people. But the main thing for me is to just, you know, the gathering is what I'm going to call this the fellowship, the brotherhood, the pilgrimage.
Erick:Yeah, there you go. And that's hey, you said a word the fellowship bro. We really want this to be like a yearly thing, Like we'll have anything like this in the US, so this can be that thing. You know, maybe Junior Texas thing, Maybe Junior takes the show on the road, rotate around a little bit. Vegas yeah for sure, hawaii Just throwing ideas out. We've got to get the first one out the way first.
Jason:Yeah, guys, again, email the show or comment below at thechicanepodcasts at gmailcom If you have any questions. It could be big, small monitors, it could be whatever size, odd sizes, triple wide. Whatever you want to do, we'll get to it and we'll cover it and I'll give you the best advice, and the guys here will as well. We'll all give you the best advice we could possibly can to help you achieve what you're trying to achieve. I think we got one more topic for today. Again track of the week. I apologize for the lack of track of the week. It must wait, but again, it's not like think about it this guys, think about it like this. It's not like they're making tracks every year so at some point we might run out of tracks to do so. I don't feel too bad, but that segment is still part of this show. It's very dear to me and the next one up is awesome, but we just this is a lot of time for that one.
Erick:It's a lot of sim news, racing news is good.
Jason:It's the season, right, sim racing season.
Erick:Yeah for sure. But with that speaking of new stuff coming out and it being sim racing season, I did want to talk about a little bit of hardware. I know we got the expo coming up so we're going to be flooded, but I did want to just touch on these real quick, since we were they did announce before, which I think now might have been a little strategic, so I'm gonna share my screen real quick. Yeah, so a little company called Moza. They came out with something called the R21 Ultra DD wheelbase. If it's not clear, it's 21 newton meters. They also have one that's 25 newton meters. But the thing that's most interesting to me is the price. This is $700. And regardless of how you feel about Moses, $700 is nothing to sneeze at, that's you know. You gotta show us what you're working with for that type of price point, and that's for the R21.
Jason:I have some comments with these, but keep going.
Erick:And I'll kind of go over both of them, the, the pricing, and then we got like a little quick little look at some of the key features. So, like I say, this is the r25, this is the ultra true torque dd, wheelbase, 900 bones, all right, so I kind of taught them some of the latest stuff that I've seen some other people like Sun Magic talking about the zero-cogging, all new force feedback algorithm and you know encoder.
Erick:And just kind of like a quick overview, one of the things they were mentioning is the flat wire motor that supposedly gives them the zero-cogging capability which you know, I guess, kind of being a. You know, I guess kind of being a, you know, having never really cared about cogging, or even I don't even know if I'm aware of cogging, or when I experienced it, I don't know how big of a selling point. Oh, you're spoiled, bro.
Jason:You came in at a at a nice time.
Erick:Cogging used to be a thing on the Fanatec bases mainly. Oh yeah, Okay when the wheel was off.
Jason:You can feel it literally going.
Jeff:Oh, okay, that's cog, because I had that on my Fanatec. Only when it was off that you noticed it when it was on. I don't think you felt it.
Jason:No, you don't. That's why I don't think it's relevant when people complain about cogging, you're like what are you not turning your DDU on?
Erick:Yeah, you practicing with it off you practicing with it off, I mean yeah, go ahead.
Jason:Yeah, please continue before we get grilled on this one again.
Erick:Of course, man, we got to stir up some trouble every time. So this is interesting. They're saying sustained 21 newton meter torque output. So it's not peak, this is sustained, which I think is interesting. You know 21 bit magnetic encoder, which I can't really speak to the specific benefits because I think it's going to be down to the same.
Jason:Rob Markman. So 21 Newton sustain is plenty of feedback for anybody, and then when it comes to raw power, that's a pretty powerful base. This is the Ultra right we're looking at. Yeah, Rob.
Erick:Markman no Well, so this is the Ultra, but they have one above it. They have a 25 Newtonnm as well. Okay, looking for it right here, just kind of like a quick overview of what they have. So the sustained 21-nm of torque, cnc machined aluminum housing, 21-bit encoder, high-density flat wire motor, ultra-low cogging torque, 600 MHz, high-performance CPU, refined design with RGB customization and cloud-based app configuration, and I'll say the app piece is interesting.
Jason:Why do we need RGB on wheelbases, bro? I'm sorry.
Jeff:Can you say it louder for those?
Erick:in the back RGB everything, man. You ain't going fast if you ain't got RGB man, or at least they're telling us, us they're gonna turn it off at least let me turn it off, but don't add like I don't want that stuff. Don't make it more expensive by adding that crap yeah, that's definitely uh I mean, look, I don't know they just saw sim magic and was like hey, throw some rgbs on it.
Jason:I know we gave SID Magic a hard time. Put duct tape or electrical tape over that I know and ruined the finish, the nice CNC beautiful finish.
Erick:So I mean, if you can actually tie telemetry to it. I mean, it might make for some extra information you have a wheel in front of the face, bro. Well, I mean just like as far as ambient lighting. So if you have a monitor above it or if it's somewhere and it's just more feedback I'm saying that because I'm struggling for information right now. So I'm like man, just knowing more, seeing more. Maybe that was kind of the idea, but then you have the option to cut it off.
Jason:You need a DDU, eric. That's what you need. That will solve all your information needs Promise. Or a wheel with a screen that Porsche wheel that we saw. I hope you pick that up, yeah just buy that one.
Jeff:Hey, I appreciate you wanting that for me.
Erick:Just buy it. Just buy it, I really do. Yeah, man. Hey, I appreciate you wanting me to have that.
Jeff:Jason's in partnership with you. We'll take a quick look at that All of them.
Jason:Bro, I'm telling you we got a promotion going.
Erick:Tell them to cut the check, Jason, because you deserve it.
Jason:I'll tell them, I'll ask them if they'll take a post-dated check actually, just in case.
Erick:But yeah, so this is the R25 Ultra True Torque. I hate when people come up with silly names and stuff.
Jason:I will say this I like the look of the motor. It looks sleek, it looks it's a the motor.
Erick:It looks sleek. It's a nice look, rob Markman.
Jason:I'm interested in the size. It looks small, it looks compact.
Erick:Rob Markman. Yeah, yeah, because the older Moza stuff was kind of huge Like the R12 and they had the big kind of plastic shiny housing on them. Look kind of gaudy.
Jason:Rob Markman, the biggest con bro with Moza right now and I'll tell you now SimHub. There's no SimHub compatibleness with any other stuff. They have their own pit house application that controls LEDs and everything, but there's no DNnr, nothing. There's no lovely dashboard if there's no sim in their defense.
Jeff:My sim magic doesn't have anything. I don't think I control any of it through sim hub but you can if you wanted to. Like you can do, like peak power and all those settings through SimHub.
Jason:Yes.
Jeff:That's news to me.
Jason:You can control. No, you can't control peak power, sorry.
Jeff:You can control pedals. You can control pedals. You can control pedals and all that other stuff. Mistake yes, you're right about that.
Jason:You can control pedals and handbrakes as well, and clutch and everything you can't not yet I'll bet you anything that that'll be baked in here soon. But I mean for the ecosystem, not so much the wheelbase.
Erick:Oh, you like the wheels. The wheels Are Moza wheels not supported in SimHub. No, no, oh, that's nuts. Okay, you have to use pit house.
Jason:You know what I mean. I'm just talking about the Moza brand. I wish that these LEDs, for example, on the side of the wheel, that I can use a profile on SimHub, because I have other things that are profile ready. I don't want to use a different app. Is what I'm saying? That's an opinion, though. I mean I'm pretty sure we have some Moza fans on here and they're making good stuff, they're putting out stuff and they're trying to improve things here.
Jason:Hey, I will say this Does it go over slew rate? Because I haven't seen that Nobody likes to talk about slew rate. They only mention forced feedback. Yeah, and I haven't to talk about slew rate.
Erick:They only mention force feedback. Yeah, and I haven't seen anything about slew rate at all. That's the only thing people care about, right?
Jason:Most people care about the feedback.
Erick:Right, yeah, they don't want that number, man, they just want the number.
Jason:But then slew rates and just overall smoothness of the motor and feedback resolution too. Nice looking motor, though I'll tell you I'll give it to them. That's some. That's a beautiful looking piece of hardware. It's very close to the price of a semi-cube, or yeah, I was gonna ask about that acetek, too, is a great option so another.
Jeff:I got a. I'm sorry to cut you off, jason, that's about it.
Jason:That's all I was going to say. Okay.
Jeff:I have a question for you, gentlemen, a proposal when we're done with this one, over this one or that one. I did some quick little research here and I brought another direct drive wheel wheelbase up here and I'm going to show it. And I want just a quick. Which one would you pick, the moza or the one I'm about to share? So I will share this real quick.
Jason:Have at it and let's see it, let's see it, bro. Let the debate commence.
Jeff:So you got Acetec and Moza. All right, this one is 18 Newton meters. I think that you could argue that I would take the Moza. Acetec is probably a top two or three. It is when it comes to when it comes to, you know the fine fidelity details of you know feedback.
Jason:And their QR system is next level.
Jeff:So this is what 150 bucks more and you're getting three less Newton meters.
Jason:But it's an entry level wheelbase.
Erick:Because a Forte is is a uh-huh well, I was 40 is their entry level or no.
Jeff:Actually 40 is their mid-tier, sorry here I'll show you the pre-movement together yeah, the.
Jason:Prima.
Jeff:The Prima is their lower or so this, I picked this one. This was, you know, the closest it got with the Newton meters.
Erick:We're just comparing.
Jason:Yeah.
Erick:Go ahead, brian. I was going to say for Moza for $899,. You're getting 25 Newton meters. Yeah, so the argument is.
Jeff:Big jump. Yeah, I mean Acetec. People claim that it is a top-tier, Not saying Moza's not, but I think most people would argue that acetac is a top tier.
Jason:ddu it's that semi-cube level, yeah, 100. So if you had to pick one sacrifice, pay more.
Jeff:Pay 150 bucks more for a my words, not anybody else's a better quality. Something's going to provide you a little bit more finer fidelity feedback, but you're sacrificing three Newton meters.
Erick:Jason, where are you at? Well, seven Newton meters.
Jeff:How much did you say yours was, or the Moza was?
Erick:The 25 Newton meters.
Jason:Oh, I thought it was 21. I'm sorry, with a holding of 21. Okay, we would need to see the other specs on the other wheelbase, but just by judging on the numbers, which is what most people do, and we're a podcast, so we only have a few minutes to go over this very lightly, very gently, just so you know and a quick correction.
Erick:the 25 has a sustained to 25 new meters.
Jeff:Okay, so it's sustained to 25.
Jason:Okay, good, so then that's an easy winner. Right, there is the 25. When it comes to raw power, I would need to see more. I would like to try them, because there's no real way to know until you try something.
Jason:I would like to try them, because there's no real way to know until you try something. I would like to try them and I probably tried some of them at the expo. I don't think these guys were there, though. I don't think I don't think they're going, but I would love to try them because there's honestly. We can talk about specs all day and I can talk to you about my experience and the gents. They have some magic stuff, and Eric has had Logitech. Jeff started with a Fanatec, he started with a Ferrari, or he started with a. What did he start with? What can I say? He started with Eric, he started with a Lexus, and then went on to a.
Jason:Ferrari.
Erick:Yeah, yeah Took it to the next level. I started with a Civic.
Jason:And now I you know just honestly, because the average consumer is looking at well, how many Newton meters is what people are using, is what people are using? But then you also have to think about how many hertz, what sim, are you using it in slew rates? There's a lot. There's a lot to a wheelbase but, honestly speaking, in the year 2025, you really can't go wrong with the options out there. They're all really good from what I've seen and from what I've tested.
Jeff:You make a good point that the top tier and entry level is starting to get closer.
Jason:Yeah, very close when your top tier is going to really have to justify the price. Right Now it's about ecosystem. So Moza has its ecosystem. Moza has quick releases, Acetek they have an ecosystem. They have wheels, pedals, they have their own quick release system. Semi-cube same thing. They have their own pedals, their own active pedal. They have their own wheels.
Erick:So it's like what Rob Markman Jr. Moza has an active pedal too. I forgot about that, rob Markman Jr. The Moza yes, rob Markman Jr. Yeah, they got an active pedal. So, thinking about ecosystem, if you're trying to go that route, that's another Rob Markman Jr.
Jason:Exactly, it's part of an ecosystem. So that's kind of where we're at right now is what ecosystem do you want to be part of? You know so.
Erick:It's a great time to be a sim racer.
Jason:That was an interesting topic, man. That wasn't in the show notes. You know, jeff, that was a great one. I love it A lot of stuff out there.
Jeff:You got to choose from, which is a good and bad problem, because there's so much stuff to choose from.
Erick:Yes, yeah. This is why I'm excited to go to the expo, because even if I can't afford the best, I'll have more confidence by testing some of the best. I know it's set up by the actual manufacturer and so when I come back it'll give me more insight into where my setup really ranks and what I really want to strive for. Because in my mind, looking at stuff online, looking at numbers, you kind of know what the top number is. You kind of feel like, well, I should strive for that number, but it might be well, I sat down and I tried this. You know rig and it had a 25 Newton meter wheelbase and really my 18 or my 20, you know I'm really good, but the pedals are really where I felt the difference, or the shifter or the seat or something like that. So that's, I'm excited about that man.
Jason:See. Another thing I will say with a wheel base is that it needs time. If I invited you over my house right now and you jumped in my sim and you love to feel the wheel and then you go home and you buy one, it's not going to be the same because you need to dial it in. So when you go to the expo you's not going to be the same because you need to dial it in. So when you go to the expo, you're not going to have that much time to dial settings to your preference. So that's just something to keep in mind too. It might seem like they're similar, like it's all the same and it's because it's too fast.
Jason:You know, those things take a little time to get them dialed in just right, and I don't know who's dialing them in. You know what I mean. I know we have manufacturers over there and we have professionals over there, but how much time did they have to really dial these guys in? You know? Know what I mean. But at least it'll give you a glimpse of what you think you can achieve with it once you get it in your hands and once you put it in your rig. That's the reality of it. Pedals same thing. If I tighten my pedals all the way to max, you're like I don't like this pedal, but then you didn't even adjust it. How do you know you didn't like the pedal? You didn't even get a chance to put a wrench on it and get it and really test it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, so that's kind of what I'm hoping for With motion. They're going to be upset with me because I'll be like all right, turn it down, all right turn it up, all right.
Jason:turn it up, all right. Change the angle. They'll be like listen, you had your time.
Erick:Time's up. You need to go. There's a line behind you too.
Jason:Come on, let's go Run it again.
Erick:Buy or get out. That's what you're going to do.
Jason:It didn't work, run it again, all right, guys. Thank you so much, eric for sharing the wheelbases, and Jeff also great question. Sometimes it's hard to explain to someone what slew rate will feel like or what the differences are, especially when someone that doesn't have a wheelbase to compare it to. At that level, if you had an eight newton meter and now you're shopping for two motors that do, one of them does 25, one of them's 18, but you know damn well that you're not going to be using 18 or 25. So how do you buy? But you know damn well that you're not going to be using 18 or 25. So how do you buy? You know what I'm saying? It's kind of. It's kind of it's a hard choice. You know the more things that come out and then they add these LEDs to them and they add the nice, cute, beautiful software behind it. So just keep in mind.
Jeff:Marketing.
Jason:Marketing. Oh yeah, in a nutshell, make me want mind Marketing. Marketing. Oh yeah, In a nutshell, make me one on one, yeah. So any roundtables, guys. That's all we got for this week. I'm excited We'll have some fresh coverage for you guys on everything that went down. Of course, just give us a little time, because we're in the, we're recording in the past and you're watching in the future, so yeah anything, anything. We all good to go break late fellas okay, we're gonna.
Jeff:We're gonna fly fast and break early because we're flying and just yeah, do what you got to do to put this thing down put her down.
Erick:Save Jr, put her down. Save me, rob Markman Jr, and I'll be seeing you guys in person, nick, so I can't wait.
Jason:Rob Markman Jr. Hell yeah.
Erick:My boy.
Jason:Eric, I get to meet you man Rob Markman Jr. Yeah, rob.
Erick:Markman Jr, We've talked about this thing.
Jeff:Rob Markman Jr.
Jason:That's it, man. The two homeboys get to share a drink. And we got another homeboy from Canada that's going to be there. We got all kinds of people that are going to be there. And to all you fans, if you guys are there and you recognize us, come up and say hi, man, we won't bite. I mean, this already happened. It's kind of relevant.
Jeff:Yeah, that's true, it's kind of I'm a little we're happy to all met you all.
Jason:I was happy to meet you all first of all, and we were all excited to be there with you and enjoy that time that we had with you. That already happened. So, and with that guys, thank you so much and have a great start of your week, Thank you.
