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BeamNG's Tire Physics Revolution: A Glimpse into Sim Racing's Future
The line between virtual and real racing continues to blur as sim technology advances at breakneck speeds. This week, we explore how physical feedback transforms the sim racing experience through an in-depth comparison of bass shakers versus the popular Butt Kicker system. Eric shares his experience with a budget-friendly Dayton Audio setup that delivers impressive performance at a fraction of the cost, while we debate the optimal mounting locations and SimHub settings that maximize immersion without overdoing it.
BeamNG Drive steals the spotlight with their ambitious tire physics overhaul in partnership with Calspin testing facility. We break down how they're using a 1400-horsepower testing rig capable of reaching 200+ mph to collect unprecedented levels of tire performance data. This research-driven approach demonstrates an extraordinary commitment to realism that's rare in the simulation world, and signals a new era in virtual driving physics.
Jeff introduces us to an innovative approach to sim displays through vertical screen configurations, showcasing how a flight simulator enthusiast completely transformed cockpit immersion by mounting 53-inch displays in portrait orientation. We debate whether this unconventional setup could benefit certain types of racing simulations, particularly for open-cockpit vehicles and prototypes.
With announcements about Eric's YouTube channel launch, upcoming Le Mans Ultimate coverage, and listener questions about racing leagues, this episode captures the excitement and innovation that makes sim racing such a dynamic community. Whether you're a seasoned sim racer or just getting started, you'll come away with fresh perspectives on how to enhance your virtual driving experience.
BeamNG Sneak Peek: Tire Physics Development Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HdBYYeQCU0&t=1s
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This episode is brought to you by Trophyai. We discuss all things in the sim racing world. I'm your host, jason Rivera, and I'm joined here by Mr Eric Kelly and Jeff Smart. How's everyone doing this week?
Erick:Doing good man Trying not to melt down. Here in Alabama it's been record high heat. I know y'all don't know nothing about that down there in Hawaii, but man, Dirty soul Bro, it has been smoking outside Miserable.
Jeff:Gives you a reason to get on the rig, bro, exactly.
Jason:How about you, jeffff? How was your week, sir?
Jeff:dude, it's good, good, just uh kind of cruising along. Uh, did I, I drove the shit out of some stuff this week? Um, I don't even I. I, maybe three or four nights got in here. Oh so I, I drove a bunch of stuff. Um, all right yeah, okay, jeff is uh it was a good week for the race and yeah yeah, oh, and it's f1 week this week, thank god, yeah, we're recording. It is my favorite week of the year for the f1 okay, if you don't know it's spa week here, gentlemen.
Jeff:Yes, sir spa weekend.
Jason:Let's go, if you're recording this.
Jeff:You'll'll already know the result when you're listening to this. You can't spoil us, because it already happened.
Jason:Impossible, impossible to spoil.
Erick:Yeah.
Jason:Man, that's good man. I did some racing. I did a four-hour endurance race over the weekend and it went well up until the last 38 minutes, I'd say. Somebody took us out and we thought it was going to be the worst possible income and we actually ended up. We were fighting for P9 at one point and we ended up in P23 because a lot of people either died or quit. So I only lost like eight I rating. So I was not, not, not, not. I didn't care about the outcome too much after that. Then we had our beast. We had two stints with another team, same team, just you know two drivers, two and two, and they did really well. So shout out to mark and david. Uh, congratulations on on completing that and getting our home safe. We tried with somebody that was a lot behind us and had a blue flag and still challenged, yeah, yeah I will.
Jeff:I jumped in the, I jumped in your stream there for a little bit and dude there. There might be people faster than you, there might be people slower than you guys, but there ain't nobody that has as much fun as you guys do in the race.
Jason:Yeah, man.
Jeff:You guys have an absolute blast in there.
Jason:It's always fun, man. I'm trying to tell you guys, you got to do an endurance at some point. I know Eric has got some plans, but, jeff, every time I get on the league races, every week your name is mentioned.
Jeff:I did. Yeah, a couple of dudes were like A lot of people were asking about you?
Jason:What the hell? Where's Jeff? Where's Jeff? We got an F1 league.
Jeff:With that said, I am asking the sim racing community here If you have a formula open wheel league that races like really late mainland uh back in the U S? Uh, that'd be great. Um, I'd love to join if you're. If you're, if you're willing to accept me, I'm looking for a formula for, you know, f3, anything open wheel I'll join. Join league racing. So I'm a free agent if you will.
Jason:Drop a comment below or email the show at thechicanepodcast at gmailcom.
Erick:We might have something for you to check out a little later. We'll have to see, we'll have to see.
Jason:We'll see how it all rolls out. So announcements time. I guess those are my announcements. I did a league race, not a league race.
Erick:I did an endurance race.
Jason:again it was only four hours this time. So it was only four hours. Yeah, it was so. I mean, when you use the 24 hour, Nords bro, everything else just feels too short. It's like too Just getting out of bed. It sounds cocky as hell, but I swear.
Erick:You earned it, man. 24 hours is no joke, man 24 hours is no joke.
Jason:I tell you On the nerve of it too. I say 75% in. When you're in and you're still there, you start getting excited because the clock is going down. It's not 24 hours left, it's like three hours left and two hours. You're like, oh shit, are we going to make it? What's going to happen? And then people start getting serious again Midway through. You kind of-.
Erick:Everybody's cruising.
Jason:Everybody's cruising. It's kind of like, okay, yeah, settled into a nice little routine. The last steps are kind of like okay, what do we need to do to gain now? With everything that's happened up until now? We try to do the best, right.
Jeff:But I'm sure every other team has their fangs out on those last couple, you know last hour and a half.
Jason:That's right.
Erick:Elbows out, for sure, elbows out, yeah, and fatigue is kicking in too for those that are doing the five, four hour stints or whatever it is they do.
Jason:It's tired. People get tired doing these. And lapping On Nords it's not that bad because Nords is a big track for you to kind of just enjoy the track and go around, and once you go around you have more scenery. But if you were doing like Line Rock 24 or something like that, oh my God.
Erick:Get yourself like dizzy almost.
Jason:That's probably why they don't do it there, but it'd be insane.
Erick:Be to run the tarmac off of that thing. Man, 24 hours Shoot.
Jason:You'll get tired of it real quick. So I can imagine, eric, what you got for us this week, man.
Erick:Uh yeah, man. So I kind of got some some news I've been working on towards Um. So I am officially launching my YouTube channel. It's called TechJig.
Jason:Yes sir.
Erick:Um, I'm going to launch it on August 3rd with a live stream of a race I was invited to do a cameo in. So shout out to Tim. He's in a GT7 league called Signal Racing and he invited me out to be a celebrity driver. He created me a dope livery for my favorite car, the 458 Italia. They're going to be racing group threes on Spa, with a chance of rain, so let's go.
Jeff:Oh yeah you had me in the rain.
Erick:Yeah, it's going to be an hour endurance race, so I've I've been in there just racing in the rain trying to get as accustomed to it as I can, but yeah, it should be fun. Like I said, I'll be live streaming on my channel, techgengaming, if y'all get a chance swing on by. Gonna be August 3rd at 8pm central, so whatever translation to your time zone, that is, if you wanna pop in or something like that yeah, man, give TechGenGaming, give it a follow on Twitch right and YouTube, or is it YouTube? Twitch and YouTube.
Jason:Okay, so Twitch and YouTube give them a follow and I guess you'll post something like a schedule or something for that day or something like a notification.
Erick:Yeah, I'll be posting stuff leading up to it and I got to show y'all the show off delivery too. I'm kind of hyped.
Jason:Yeah, man, for real, let's go, let's go. Yeah, so congrats, man. I've been bugging you about that to get it going.
Erick:Yeah, man, yeah, congratulations, come conference time, man.
Jason:Yes sir, yes sir.
Erick:I got to have it going, man, I mean you still have the Tech Gentleman guys.
Jason:Give that a follow as well for tech reviews. Yeah, he's got a cool video.
Erick:Samsung season yeah, the Samsung season, yeah, yeah.
Jason:Which I couldn't care less about.
Jeff:You couldn't care less.
Erick:Start reviewing iPhones, you know you might Been there, done that, start reviewing iPhones. You might tickle the algorithm a little better. Nobody cared about the iPhone. Okay, all right. All right, this has been a Guys.
Jason:I want you to know this has been a fight for over 15 years, I think, Almost more, or maybe a little less.
Erick:No man, you started out in the prom. I was in the Android. You went to the dark side.
Jason:Yeah, man Because. I was in the Android, you went to the dark side when I was broke. That's what I could have. I know you did it.
Erick:Oh man, let me know where your iPhone's phone is. I had that peasant phone.
Jason:Jeff, I had that peasant phone. No, no, no, I was huge into modding phones. Back then I was installing Paranoid Android. Remember those?
Erick:XDA formed XDA developers Digging through those.
Jason:I was always like-.
Erick:Trying to figure out how to unhook my phone.
Jason:Closet, geek phones and shit. So congratulations, Eric and Jeff, how was your week? We'll leave links to all Eric's links below. Please show him some love on the distant end. He is good. He's the same Eric that you see here every week. It's just racing. He might be sweating a little bit, you know, because Eric you know, In the VR headset or something like that.
Erick:you know.
Jason:He might be, you know, breathing a little hard in there.
Erick:I love it, though. It's cool. It's cool in there. I love it though it's cool.
Jason:It's cool man. I like it. It adds to the excitement, jeff. How was your week, sir?
Jeff:Good, just a quick update. I did have an update or an add-on to the rig this week. You'll see the new Hue Lights arms. We got no more plastic here Done with it. I saw it, dude, it's funny the angle too, huh yeah, so facebook got me with some ad placement. That was perfectly on spot. Uh, yeah, so it's sims sport gadget. Uh, it's like a fully articulable here. I'll uh give them a quick little um, if I didn't have some fresh 3d printed with the same exact ones.
Erick:If I didn't have mine, I'd have probably bought those yeah, it looks like a magic arm.
Jason:You know the magic arms.
Jeff:Uh, yeah, so super interesting is, all you do is put it in the position you want and then tighten the hell out of this thing and it just grips everything. So, up here, fully articulable, any you know angle here, and then, obviously, you know, at the base, this has got another knob that goes 360 degrees. So, uh, so far, so good. I am, you know, super happy with them, like you can, you know, put them at any angle. Um, I had them over the over my third, third screen, but every time I stood up I was just knocking them a little bit. I like them better on the sides now they're a little bit more closer to me and the hands and the wheels, so the light is a little bit more intense. We're giving it a go in these positions, but super cool that you can just articulate them, shout out to SimSport Gadget for a pretty good product so far.
Jason:I have a question for you, Jeff, though.
Jeff:What you got sim sport gadget.
Jason:Did you know that michael from the sim racing den has a discount code with them? He has an affiliate.
Jeff:I hope that you use that I don't think I just say I did actually anyways, guys, I got their summer sale, yeah I don't.
Jason:There you go, you good, I I had to. I had to throw it in there I don't. We don't have an affiliate with them, but I'm glad to shout out a friend of the show, michael from the sim racing. Then check out the sim racing thencom. He has affiliate codes with many different um places and this happens to be one of them, rob.
Jeff:Markman. It's got some good content out lately. Rob Markman, yes, he does.
Jason:Yes, he does Amazing stuff.
Erick:Rob Markman, I'm going to start calling him Michael Bay man. Rob Markman, the B roll is buttery man.
Jason:Rob Markman. Oh, it's beautiful. It's beautiful. I am, yes, I am watching that carefully. It's a little too good. It's a little too good oh yeah.
Jason:Well, anyways, for this week's Simdistry News Update, we have a little something a little special here. Well, not little, it's actually awesome. So BeamNG Drive has a major tire model overhaul coming. It's being worked on at the moment and they shared a basically developed, focused on improving its tires physics model, which is essentially delivering realistic vehicle dynamics in-game. And this is kind of weird, right? Because BM&G is an old sim. It's a heavily modded sim For those BM&G fans out there shout out to you, but for a developer that doesn't really release DLC, it's not really in the media, it's not really in the news too much. It shows how much they care about their sim. Over the years they've made steady advancements to the simulation technology, but they're now aiming for a significant leap forward in the tire model accuracy. So I'm going to share my screen to show you what they're using and kind of talk through there. It is there, it is there, it is here we go. So I'm not going to play this video, but I'll leave a link in the description of it. It shows them using a machine. Basically, I'll click on these and as I talk through, I'll let you know what's going on To address one of the biggest challenges in driving simulations, lack of reliability reference data.
Jason:They partnered with Cowspin, a leading tire testing facility. This collaboration has allowed them to gather a large volume of detailed tire performance data covering a wide variety of tire types, road conditions and test scenarios, including extreme cases. Right Currently, the development team is concentrating on enhancing their calibration methods to manage the complexity and scale of this new data sheet set, excuse me. Once that's in place, they'll be able to refine their tire models to more accurately reflect the subtle real-world behaviors observed during testing. The goal is to ensure consistent and realistic tire behavior across different vehicles and driving situations.
Jason:So here I have some bullets here. Extensive tire testing. Approximately 30 different tires are being tested to gather data. Let me switch over and show you Advanced sensor setup. Show you, uh, advanced sensor setup, number uh. Numerous sensors are being used on a test rig to collect detailed information, including temperature sensors inside and on the surface of the tire, laser points, sidewall deflections and microphones. For the sounds, guys. Like diverse testing conditions. The tires are being put through various conditions, such as a large slip angle, heavy throttle and extreme braking, to understand force production. So you can see part of their equipment there. The testing machine can apply vertical loads, listen to this guys. Up to six tons and reach speeds of over 200 miles an hour. Uh, powered by a 1400 horsepower electronic motor, which you see the ginormous freaking. I think they got enough horsepower there I think they do.
Jason:I think they're good right got a couple.
Erick:Got a couple ponies in there yeah.
Jason:So here I'll switch over, you can. You can see kind of them spinning the absolute hell out of the tire. Beamng is recording in-game vehicle driving data and using it as input for Calspin's tire testing machine. The machine output is then fed back into a replica in the game to ensure direct correlation between real world and in-game tire forces. Uh see, here's a.
Jason:The team is focusing on ensuring they're also focusing on ensuring an accurate tire response during extreme maneuvers fast steering maneuvers as well as understanding the heat up of the tire and its effects and performance. And you can see here on the screen how they're looking at the damn temperature on that thermal camera down there in the center. So yeah, they're looking at how that affects wear and how it impacts handling an efficiency test like rolling resistance. While there's no timeline yet for when these improvements will be implemented, bm&g emphasizes their research-driven approach and commitment to transparency. They've shared this early progress to give the community insight in their long-term efforts to deepen the realism of the driving simulation, acknowledging that tire physics remain one of the most complex and ambitious areas of development. And I have to happily 100% agree that handling and physics it's function overlooks man. I tell you all day, look at these guys. They're dumping. You know how much time and effort it'll take to.
Jason:Yeah, a lot of money, Like look at this.
Jeff:I mean, that's like what I expect Goodyear or Pirelli to be doing for testing, and this is a simulator.
Erick:So it's funny you say that, because in my mind I'm like it's like they're basically having to make a tire, so they're researching how to make tires just in the virtual world versus in the real world. That's literally what they're doing.
Jason:So they took the machine. Basically they took that machine that they're using in real life and created it in the sim and they're transferring the data that they're getting from the real life one into the sim one and building the tire inside. That is insane.
Erick:that's kind of like what that's kind of like what nim cross was saying about iRacing, where basically he was saying iRacing is basically like a world the million points of data on the on the tires yeah, and you're just like. You're not like just throwing in a new one and seeing what sticks. It's like you're building on that world. You're making it more and more realistic every time. So the more data, the more tools, the more realistic it'll be. That's dope.
Jason:I think it's impressive for a sim that, again, is old. It's just like Truck Sim. They keep updating it and they keep supporting it, but at least truck sim is getting some sort of um, how do you say this? Uh, they're making money off of their DLC. It's kind of like I will mention this right here this is a sim racing podcast, but it's kind of like. A good example is no man's sky, if you guys know what no man's sky is and you see the development that this game is going through crazy at basically no cost you know, because I don't understand how I don't, I don't know where they're getting the money to keep this game it keeps.
Jason:Every time I turn around. The game got an update it's like, oh snap, and they added all kinds of stuff and it's I guess it's sort of a sim, right, it's a space living sim where you got a mind yeah, they're simulating worlds and, to your point, about every time you look around they're doing updates.
Erick:I mean they literally just came out with the developer said, like the literally just came out with the developer said the version they came out with is what they want the game to be when they first started developing it.
Jason:Yes.
Erick:And now it's at a point where they have the technology and the tools and all that stuff to create their game.
Jason:And it runs buttery smooth bro.
Erick:Relaunching the game. It runs buttery smooth on the flat screen on VR. Shout out to the no Man's Sky team, handheld, I mean it's.
Jason:And you know what? It's infinite because the planets are procedurally world-generated. So there's a whole new planet that gets created when you do a jump into space.
Erick:Yeah, and the planet that you see is the planet that I'm going to see. Imagine if we had that in sim racing right Proceedingly generated tracks.
Jason:That'd be insane, that would be nuts.
Erick:This week, random track number 3012.
Jason:That'd be crazy. To the main topic, le Mans Ultimate has dropped today, as of today's recording, and we are not going to talk about that because it's not fair to give it a good you know good conversation about it. We need to actually update and test it. I personally haven't had time to test it because it just came out today. So I know, eric, that's on your rig too, and I'm sure Jeff too.
Erick:Yeah, updated. I haven't had a chance to hop in yet.
Jason:Yeah, so anyways, that's going to be about it for today's industry. Thank you so much, guys, for the inputs and main discussion time, eric, what you got for us bro.
Erick:Yeah, man. So you know this whole swim racing thing, man. It's something about being in Facebook groups and listening to podcasts.
Jason:You just feel like whatever you got on your rig is not enough. Where's this going, Jeff?
Erick:It's not enough.
Jeff:So outside of you know Drum roll.
Erick:So you guys know I got the seat a little while back, which has been great. It's been crazy, um, I don't know. I can't remember if I spoke about just the difference having a real seat versus you did not bro, because we had a guest on the show, yeah, and we straight up cut you off.
Erick:So so that's yeah, so so it's. It's something that I did not anticipate and I think because most people when they build a rig they start out with some sort of like racing focus seat to some extent. But going from a regular car seat to actual racing seat like my times increased just because I couldn't move as much. I was planning to minimize just the variables in how much I could be off every lap, every time I pressed the brake and all that stuff. I know, jason, you were talking to me about that when I was looking at seats.
Jason:I told you you needed a seat. How?
Erick:important it is. Yeah because there are a bunch of different style seats. There are the reclining seats and you know there are a bunch of different style seats there, like the reclining seats, and you know you can buy $800 sparkle recliner seat but you know, I've been called out but you're like, bro, you you need that, that one piece, you need that molded glass that molded seat, bro, like it won't move, it won't budge, and that way you can be more consistent with your braking and throttle control and all that stuff.
Jason:If I can add, right, if I can add, you have to. So the reason I went with it and, eric, I love you, man, but you called me out.
Erick:So yes, Sparkle is an expensive seat.
Jason:But the purpose of this seat is one, I'm a fan of the brand. Two, I love the comfort of the seat, I love the quality and this is the number three reason is the most important reason is that this seat is rigid enough to take the forces of a possible future motion rig. You know what I mean. And it doesn't creak or make noise. Yeah, you know, it's FIA approved. It's crash proof or not crash proof, because you crash it one time. It's kind of done after that. You know you're supposed to get rid of them.
Jeff:It's like fireproof and all that other stuff and you know beefy.
Jason:It's straight up nonsense. It's just a label that they put on and saying, yep, this seat's been inspected, it's pre-approved. Basically it's saying that, yeah, this is on our list of seats that you can use on a track and it be safe enough to resist an impact. And the way I look at it that way, I was like dude, if I'm gonna buy something, I plan on having motion at some point. We don't know when, but when we go to this expo that's less than 40 days it's gonna be really difficult to come back to a static rig. So I just I mean, but having a solid piece of uh furniture, right it, you know it really helps with the muscle memory. So I'll let you continue, bro, my bad, it just came to me.
Erick:Just called out yeah Well, so you mentioned a piece of furniture. I think the reality is most people have never been in a racing seat.
Jason:This is true.
Erick:So you kind of talk about you know the the difference and why race cars have racing seats versus exactly the same seat of your perspective, right there, cameron.
Jason:This is good yeah, it it's.
Erick:It makes a difference, like immediately, it made a difference, like even just like the position of my arms, I was like like said, like I was being coddled like a baby, like I was in there. So I yeah it hugs you and you know, if you're I'm not going to say if you're trying to go fast, but if you're trying to be consistent, right. Sometimes I'm consistently slow, that's my problem, but I'm the same.
Jason:That's all of us, that's everybody. Honestly, sometimes you just got bad days, man. That's just how it is, yeah.
Erick:And so that's the update on the seat. The other piece that I've been getting beat over the head about getting is a bass shaker.
Jason:So we talked about this.
Erick:Let's go. I got a bass shaker and I'm going to share with you guys.
Jason:Oh, there's video or pictures or something. What?
Jeff:are we looking at? We haven't seen this, by the way.
Jason:Yeah, totally First time here, we're blind here and I'm under the rig. I see them, bro. I see them, I see.
Erick:Yeah, there is Well yeah. So the setup. So I'll show you guys the shaker that I got, which is this one right here.
Jason:Dayton Audios yeah.
Erick:Dayton Audio 50-watt shaker. This kind of came up one-to-one with the Buttkicker Gamer and Gamer Pro setups as an alternative. It is not sold as a kit. So if you're not familiar with trimming speaker wire and that kind of thing, this will be something you have to learn. But it is. It is very simple to set up and configure. Um, it will shake your teeth out. Um, for very little. You see, it's called 60 bucks, um.
Jason:The other piece that I got was the amp right Cause you need some sort of amp to.
Erick:Yeah, I got to have an amp, and the one that I got was the uh knob sound. So it's here.
Jason:Very popular to those two.
Erick:Yeah, yeah, that, that particular combo, um, that amp with the knob sound, I mean it. You plug it up, it has the inputs here. So it has micro USB, which you know kind of cringy but for the price can't complain. Um, plug in micro USB, connect up the power there in the center, and if you got one, you can wire up one, if you got two, one, you can wire up one, if you got two, you can wire up two, front and back, whatever you like.
Erick:I just have one right now because I was kind of trying to see if this would be a decent setup or if I needed to throw it all away and go. You know, butt kicker, but right now I'm pretty, uh, satisfied with it. Obviously, the majority of uh, the tuning is going to happen in sim hub. So when you plug in this guy right here, it will show up as a sound output device in sim hub that you can use the bass shaker, um settings for and you can pick all the effects you want to, you know, to to act on it. Um, I'll say the settings there and then, however you choose to mount it probably the two most important things right now. I have kind of a crossbar underneath my seat. It's not directly. It's not connected directly to my seat, but the more I race with it, that's another thing in my head. I'm like I hear people say if you connect it directly up to the seat, then it'll be game changing.
Jeff:That, who would? Be me and Jason, I think.
Erick:Yeah, dude, it's About 100,000 other people on Facebook.
Jason:I wonder what the difference between this and a Buttkicker Pro is yeah, maybe what do you want?
Erick:so so my, so my, in my research the butt kicker is audio grade bass shaker. So meaning if you were trying to use it in any sort of like music production aspect or home theater setups, if you were trying to go for accuracy for the full spectrum of music or movie audio, it would check that box too, and they kind of attribute it to the physical size of it as well. Like it's, it's bigger, the shaker motor has more travel, so you get you know more detailed reproduction. But basically they were saying that if you're just going to strap it to your seat and have it do vroom, vroom stuff, the Dayton Audio is Fine for that. Um.
Erick:I would love that those are pretty much the biggest differences that I saw. Okay.
Jason:Because you know, by looking at the size, you know I wonder how much. I wish you lived here bro.
Jeff:Yeah, I know Right, Because I see the price and I'm like dude.
Jason:That's really cheap Really cheap.
Jeff:I was like yeah, but so Even if you put two on there, yeah, so a lot of people.
Erick:they do one under the seat and one under the pedal plate and I don't know where my. You know, I have the little. I might add the four corners on my break, so that's what I'm going to say. Like some people, they'll do the four corners, Cause I mean you're in what, for you know, each one of these apps will do two motors, I mean two bass shakers.
Jeff:Yep Two channel. So a hundred bucks or so less than that.
Erick:Yeah, so, yeah, so, probably. Well, you need to get two of the bass shakers which are 60 bucks a piece, I would get four of them, though you know yeah.
Jason:I would just probably smack two on each side of the seat, or you could put, or you know, yeah, I would just probably smack two on each side of the seat or you could put. Or, if you know what the way we have it set up, jeff, we could probably. Since we have one in the seat already, you could probably just add two front ones and it mimics the sides of the car.
Erick:Yeah, or you know, because yeah, I saw some guys that mixed and matched, so that was specifically where I got the comparison between the butt kicker and this setup. Because there's this guy on Reddit. I can't remember his name, he's a maniac. He's like yeah, I have about eight bass shakers on my Reddit. He's like I have like he said he has like two variants of the butt kickers. He has like two of these guys or something like that. Brothers Electric.
Jason:Okay when people tell me I have no people that have six too. And now you said eight. So this is why I'm trying to think, because, gain-wise, this butt kicker will shake the entire floor off. Yeah, I run it at 30% because it's just too damn much.
Jeff:You know, yeah, I know someone that was even clipping on them.
Jason:I know just guilty as charged there is their guilty is charged.
Jeff:I had to turn down my high frequency, cut off it and just tone it down a little bit, but it's still good. It's still good. Yeah, I was getting clipping and overheating oh yeah.
Erick:So I'll say um, I've raced for you know hour, two hours, and I'm running this guy at not even at 50. No shit, yeah, I'm kind of like down in the second quadrant there.
Jeff:So talk to us about your settings. Which what settings you got it mapped to?
Erick:So right now I do have the haptic motor on my brake pedal, so I'm reserving that for ABS and traction control engagement, just because that's what I've been kind of used to and I that's kind of second nature, Like when I feel that vibration on the brake pedal, I know I'm basically fucking up.
Jason:I've tried several yeah.
Erick:You know it's second nature now.
Jason:That's a good way of doing it, you know.
Erick:So kind of not, you know, trying to overload it, and also I don't know what ABS in your butt would do for you.
Jeff:No, I don't know what abs in your butt would do for you, so, no, I don't feel right yeah so, so, mostly um.
Erick:I'll say as far as gt7 goes um, I'm doing like road impacts. Um, I'm doing simulated road texture. Uh, also doing um I'm playing around with wheel slip and tire slip trying to see, because in the base checker settings you have the option to and I found this out this actually makes a difference. You can actually have it give you feedback for each of the tires. So if you do the custom, option.
Jason:You can do left right.
Erick:Yep, yeah, same with butt kickers yeah yeah, and so I found out the hard way that I only had one of my tires reporting for feedback because I was I was about to pay. It was like the. It was like the front right tire or something oh, send this thing back.
Jeff:It's not. We're about to go back, bro, so I'm like what the hell is this?
Jason:It's not worth it. We're about to go back.
Erick:Bro. So I'm like what the?
Jason:hell is this?
Erick:Yeah, because I had like an engine vibration on. I have gear shift, which is just beautiful.
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Erick:No, no. The reason why I didn't race that much this week is because I did stuff to the rig and this is a vulnerable moment.
Jason:So you guys see my screen? What the hell.
Erick:You see my screen here? Yeah, so if you plug this guy in to your computer, there's a light here. This LED will light up even if you don't plug in power. So I'm looking at it. I'm like why aren't you working? I have no vibrations. What's going on? And I bought a new. I bought a new power strip so I replugged in everything. I forgot to run the power back to this guy. So literally for a whole day I was trying to figure out what is going on. Why don't I have my basic? Did it die? What's happening? I didn't have any power power, I got him.
Erick:So that's a little I opened up to you guys, you know we're special Bro.
Jason:that's awesome.
Jeff:I'm going to remember this forever, bro. We've all had moments like this. Oh yeah, you look over the light's on.
Erick:Yeah, that's the thing you plug in USB.
Jason:I'm checking the cables. You hear the window sound and everything.
Erick:Bro, yeah, that's the, that's the thing like plugging usb, like I'm checking the cables, bro, I'm unscrewing the the speaker wire. I'm looking at it, I'm like I'm retwisting it, playing about, I'm like man.
Jeff:Do you need to look in the box and be like? I got everything hooked up at the power cable sitting there?
Erick:right so the I was, I was about to be very upset because the way that I have this mounted, I have to take off my seat off the rig to get it out. Oh no, so in my mind I'm like so I have two things going on.
Jason:in my mind, the rig was just laughing.
Erick:Bro, in my mind I have two things going. I have. I really don't want to have to take the seat off and put it back on and readjust it Nobody does.
Jason:bro, I freaking hate you, but also.
Erick:I'm like I don't want to have to tell Jason that this budget setup I'm in is no good, no way.
Jason:So he can tell me you should have bought. That was not a factor, bro.
Erick:Stop it Bro. I'm like. You didn't want to. I told you so, didn't you? I did not want the. I told you so, but luckily the problem was in the chair.
Jason:And the guys know that that's better than coffee in the morning.
Erick:Oh look, Jason will tell you at the gate hey cry once, buy quality buy top end.
Jason:No, no, no. You know what, guys, I'm going to do. I'm going to say something here, live on the show. I think I'm going to pick up a set and see. I'm going to turn off my butt kicker and I'm going to really give this a shot and if it does work then I can just keep them. It's not like a big, it's not like I have to get rid of my butt kicker, because I never get rid of that thing, but yeah you know, and even just feedback is extra feedback.
Erick:You know it's good yeah, and I'm curious too.
Jason:I'm gonna pick up a second one, because you don't yeah, you don't have to do engine vibration on all four corners. You can do one and the seat which is where you'll feel it the most, and then have the left and front, concentrate on slip angle and whatever. Rob.
Erick:Markman, I'm curious what that feels like, because Rob Markman Crashing that feels good too when you crash, rob Markman. Yeah, I've tested it out a couple of times, rob Markman, so how do you feel?
Jason:Now that you have a rig that feels alive when you kick the engine on.
Erick:Rob Markman. Oh bro, it is so racing in VR with this guy, rob Markman. Yes, even better, rob Markman, it is nuts, rob Markman.
Jason:It makes you feel like you're in the car.
Erick:Rob Markman, you feel like you're in the car and I didn't even mention so. I bought a sound bar as well that I mounted to the rig. Rob Markman, you feel like you're in the car and I didn't even mention so.
Jason:I bought a sound bar as well that I mounted to the right Rob Markman. Oh my God, man, I didn't tell him to buy any of this stuff Look man, I didn't say Rob Markman.
Erick:I'm telling you, man, it's a wrap-up. He's been keeping this low-key.
Jason:Me and Jeff, we don't know shit about any of this stuff. This the show.
Erick:Yeah, man, I've been trying to keep it under wraps a little bit.
Jason:Which is good. Get that genuine reactions.
Jeff:The butt kicker or these type of haptics is just like. It's crazy I'm not saying a little bit of immersion when mine doesn't turn on for whatever reason, or it gets remapped to not pulling the right. You know butt kicker output, yeah, it's instant something's wrong, instant that like, hey, it doesn't feel as good, like, and you're like, oh, the bucking is that you know. You know, turn it on or whatever. Reset it to the right, um, uh, base shaker it is, and like when I was racing I did some longer races and it turned off with like two or three laps to go and it was like, oh, it feels dead. I'm like I can't drive this car, I can't. This is. I have no input, no feel, though. You know this immersion is, I think, like the art, like the engine motor. You know the revving it out, and then the shifting is as engine motor, it. You know the revving it out, and then the shifting is as good as it's really it.
Jason:It was one of those things where I'm definitely not faster because of it, but I am locked in a lot more, like I feel give it some time, because you'll you'll start with high frequency, high forces, and then you start toning it down to see what I know Jeff is doing. So, my question for you guys.
Erick:I know we mentioned a little bit is mounting points. So, like I said, I have a crossbar underneath my seat that's mounted to the aluminum profile, mounted to the um aluminum profile, um, but I know you guys mentioned, you know, with the butt kicker you have the actual proprietary little mount. Um, where are you guys mounting your onset?
Jason:so. So we did kind of jeff and I were speaking about finding ways to put it on there because it makes a lot of noise, bro and when Jeff's rig was upstairs where he had it, that was a big issue and I told him, I called him, I started thinking about it and I was like, how can I isolate the sound without losing fidelity? Rob Markman, yeah, rob Markman.
Jason:So then we just I don don't know, I just took two, uh, aluminum, just two regular aluminum pieces that had a bunch of holes in it mountain plates like six by six plates, nothing fancy I went to home depot and I bought a weather strip so that I can have, uh, like a, like a, like a sort of soft gasket so it wouldn't scratch, tear up the seat, and I just squished them together in between the seat belt your cushion most. It doesn't have to be a Sparco.
Jeff:It could be any most racing seats like 90. Our NRG has one yeah.
Jason:You can lift up the cushion and there's a hole down there so you can run the seat, the harness, through it. You know what I mean. So we're not using that. So you know we're not moving around that much. And even if we were, you could just go with a two point this way and it'll be fine if you had motion. But yeah, you just run the two plates run, get some long boats that can protrude and make it through the other side and then just kind of sandwich it together. Then you take the butt kicker mount and screw it on the bottom and then just clamp it and this butt kicker is kind of like hanging in the air so it doesn't make contact with the aluminum profile and the aluminum profile is on the floor but the seat is kind of connected to the aluminum profile but it's elevated so it's reduces the noise significantly so, and it increases the fidelity that you feel because it's attached to the seat.
Jeff:It doesn't have to travel from the rig to the seat. Mount the seat mount into the seat the rig to the seat.
Jason:mount the seat mount into the seat. Depending how thick your aluminum profile is, you may have to bump it up. I mean, it depends what kind of feel you're looking for. So by having it to just a piece of fiberglass, it's really nothing. You feel freaking everything on it? Okay, because you're literally sitting on it. Your butt is shaking, bro, it's literally shaking.
Jeff:I see what you did there.
Erick:Yes, so I know my next project is duly noted.
Jason:Yeah, man.
Jeff:That seat's going to come off again.
Jason:The good thing about your bass shakers is that they're a little slim so it might be easier to mount. It depends you got to get a big enough plate so that way it can cover it and not rattle against something. You know what I mean? Because you don't want metal to metal rattling against each other like this. So that's why that yeah, against each other like this.
Erick:So that's why that yeah, yeah, I was going to say it comes with like a little soft, like little not felt, but like a little gasket almost on the top on the back of it by default.
Jason:So oh, okay, so it has that built in even better. Yeah, so I mean, it's not the perfect solution, it's just a solution that Jeff and I found to work the best, and especially if you have little ones and it's late at night and you want to use what you paid for. Basically, you paid for something, you want to use it, and then you can't use it, and it's kind of like damn, I really. And once you get used to bass shakers, bro, it is over. You can't go back to not using them. Rob Markman, I'm done. Rob Markman, I'm done.
Jason:That's a fact, I haven't had anybody say I don't want this on my rig. I haven't met anybody that, and if you do feel that way, I would love to hear from you. Leave a comment below like subscribe. And it's like the bell.
Jeff:I remember when we were, when we were looking at him, jason, and you're looking for, like you're watching, youtube reviews or Reddit comments and you're like you're watching somebody use it and it's just like I can't see anything Until you get in it. And you're like when you sat in here, when you tested mine, you were in here for maybe 10 seconds and you're like, oh, I'm good, I'm good, I'm on board.
Jason:No, but you guys he's being real modest about this. I get home from work and I get a phone call from Jeff. Jeff never calls me. He texts me. If he calls me, if it's something really bad, like something's going on, that, or he's waking me up to go to a boat or something Like where are you, bro? It's freaking, I'm about to leave, or something. So he calls me. He's like I need you over here right now.
Erick:And I didn't know.
Jason:You remember that, jeff. He was like I need you over here right now, I need you now. And I was like, bro, I just got home, just come over, I go over and I see the butt kick and I'm like shit. Man Got in the rig and all I did was turn the engine on. I just sat there, drove it for like 10 minutes While Jeff was in the rig. I was ordering the shit on that, that's accurate If it doesn't have that approach.
Erick:I mean that effect, I don't-.
Jason:I figured out the finances later.
Jeff:Yeah, it's just this. You can't explain it until you've experienced it and you're like, oh, this is it, I'm on board this is it, this is, I'm on board it's and it's specifically so.
Erick:So the first car that I did it in was the uh, bmw, the m2, and the second you flip on the ignition and start the motor, like when you. When you push the start button, like it's I don't care if everything else is not set up right, and I can figure it right when you hit the button and the car starts up and your seat starts shaking, you can't go back, rob.
Jason:Markman yeah, man, wait until you play a set of Corsa with it, Eric, and wait until you let off the clutch and you feel the actual vibration of the engine. You know how you've driven a stick before and you let off the clutch a little too soon, you feel that the dash go like vibrate.
Erick:Yeah.
Jason:When I was learning to drive stick. So you don't do that, no more huh, no, I don't do that, no mo. So you get all those effects, man, and it's cool. A set of corsa. I do the smallest thing. I sometimes I purposely let the car stall and I put it in second gear and pop the clutch and the engine starts. It's that realistic, like so that.
Erick:so that was. So I already have to take back something I said about not being faster. So even in GT7, I noticed that I had it mapped to missed gears and gear shifts, stuff like that, and the engine and all of that, and I could feel the engine like die in a corner when I was basically letting the car coast too much. I was like huh, I never felt that.
Jason:Rob Markman, you didn't get that perspective.
Erick:All you relied on was sound they said Rob Markman, yeah, I was like it sounds like it's on, but I could that little tremor. Rob Markman yeah, that's good feedback.
Jason:Rob Markman. When the engine dies a little bit, it's like, oh, like that little like tremor. Yeah, that's good feedback when the engine like kind of dies a little bit.
Erick:It's like, oh, you're kind of stalling it out, Like you're not keeping enough.
Jason:you know you feel it like she's struggling to get up Because you feel? The vibrations hard when they're like that, because it's like a struggle and truck driving bro is great. I can't imagine.
Jeff:What about with a Jake break?
Erick:Bro, I'm a weirdo bro.
Jeff:I be jumping around in the rig acting like I'm freaking slamming here.
Erick:Hey look, man, you ain't got to jump around man. For the low, low price of $10,000, your rig can bounce you around for real man.
Jason:So that might have to happen, bro, and if it's like that, I'm gonna need that three inches of travel, bro, because I'm gonna need to be swaying all over the place oh, yeah, throw me around. Yeah, man, go over a speed bump and straight up go like this on a speed bump.
Erick:I want that, bro, if I can do that I, I'm fulfilled, bro, I'm, I'm good. Make sure you hit up Mikey man. You're going to get all the discount codes and affiliate links you can get man, I'll try.
Jason:I don't know. Motion is one of those things that never goes on sale. Remember that, guys. We'll see. We'll see what we can work out, but that was really good. Eric, I'm glad you brought that up, because that's really good feedback from the other perspective, from someone that doesn't have a butt kicker and is looking for a solution. Right, yeah, it doesn't have to make you spend a big chunk of change. You could still get the same effects that we're getting. I'm going to try it, though, and you know me, I will criticize're getting. I will. I'm gonna try it, though, and you know me I will. I will criticize the living shit out of it, so I cannot wait.
Erick:I cannot wait to hear the feedback, good or bad or whatever. Just having that point of reference from somebody who has the butt kicker yeah and has this set up?
Jason:because this is the more yeah, the more people that use this stuff, the better. You know we share settings together. You know I've asked jeff for settings all the time. His shit is just a little. Uh, it's a little.
Jeff:I want to know, I want to know.
Jason:I'm in a race car this guy has trouble breathing through his nose and two things.
Jeff:So less is more with settings to those that are listening and just getting into it. Don't overdo it with the inputs that you're pushing to the buck, kicker or the bass shaker, says the guy that runs it. I have only three. I got three. I got RPMs shifting and road rumbles, or if I run over the curb it, lets me know.
Erick:That's it, okay, rumbles, or if I run over the curb it, lets me know.
Jeff:That's it. And if there's anybody out there that has both you know, the base shakers that Eric was showing and the butt kicker let us know in the comments or in email what your thoughts are on comparing the two. Love to hear it. Awesome, definitely.
Jason:All right, what you got for us, jeff All right, so I got a topic here today.
Jeff:I am in a face your sim rig setups on facebook. Maybe you've heard of it, maybe you haven't.
Jason:If you haven't, go check it out.
Jeff:So there's a dude and I would say the vast majority high 90 is sim racing. You know cars, um setups, people talking, you know talking about what they got, showing, showing it off, et cetera. But lately there's been a dude named Jack Lynch that has posted his flight simulator setup and it is like blown people's mind because he did something that nobody kind of really thought to do. I'm going to show up, but then I want to really talk about could this be make its way into sim racing? So I'm going to share his videos that he's posted. He posted a video of a couple of aircraft that he's flying and I'm going to talk through as we're doing this here, so just give me a second here. So what he did, what Jack did, was he vertically mounted 53-inch screens Wow. So his immersion here is unbelievable because in flying not necessarily important to see up and down than the wrap around you he's traded left and right field of view for up and down.
Jason:Right the wide angle.
Jeff:So you can see where his legs are and kind of where the screen ends. But all this I'll hit play here and you can watch it. Go out and see where the screens are. But all this I'll hit play here and you can watch it. Go out and see where the screens are. No-transcript, I'll jump ahead here to kind of see some of the other things.
Jason:Oh, it looks crazy dude.
Erick:That looks insane bro.
Jeff:Look at this, Bro. That is a simulator. Oh yeah, that's crazy 737 or some type of commercial airliner.
Jason:Oh, this is.
Erick:Wait, does he have somebody in the passenger seat?
Jeff:Yeah, no, that's just in the game. I guess he's landed on a roof. Yeah, that's hilarious, all right. So what I want to pause here is now this is a flight simulator, right, a little different than a racing simulator. So he has no wheel in front of him and a DDU that would kind of be in the way.
Jeff:But we've talked in the past and I recently brought up I think it was Third Wheel Exclusives on YouTube who did this whole thing, where he built the Porsche Cup car dash to his right and we see all these people that are putting, you know, the nets on both sides, the doors, the fire extinguisher down in the seat to build that immersion. So it, this is a way to do it and you have it for every car that you would want to do. The only challenge is you'd have to back away and mount your DDU in front of that front screen. But here I did some math for everybody. This dude did 55 inch screens mounted vertically. So I did some math and this is just slightly tighter than 20, 28 or 27 inch screens, triples or triple 27s.
Jeff:So if we want to wanted, if we took this thought from you know this dude that did it for a flight sim, which makes perfect sense for sim racing. You're talking about 27 triple range of, you know, field of view, but your massive top and down, so you're seeing your roof come over you, the dash, and you could use your own wheel. You could hide the wheel in the game, in the sim, but you have, you know, like I said, the dash, your second seat or, if there is even a seat, if you're driving a center, center, center, one seater. What do you guys think about that? Do you see that somebody would, would try this. The only trade-off right that I said is you lose a little bit of that left and right field of view, which is incredibly important because you don't have to worry about cars coming over the top of you in a racing set. Hopefully not, but the immersion on this is far more than I thought it was going to be.
Jason:So I will say this, I'll go first. It was going to be. So I will say this, I'll go first. I don't think With aircraft they have a bunch of switches below and above. If you look at a 747, they have switches above you down here. So I think that makes sense for flight sims, but for sim racing or for racing cars, there's really nothing but a roll cage above you and the whole purpose of putting a triple screen on the you know, putting triples on your rig is to be able to see the track ahead and the door, so that way you can see the car um. 32 inch is a pretty good size, but if you put 55 wide, you're gonna get quite a bit, uh, portrait wise as well, down, you know, like, you know, like vertical, vertical, I think. That I think for flight is incredible because for flight, again, you can, you don't have to really look this way. You know, in an airplane there's no looking this way. You're looking at instruments.
Jeff:I mean, I think the video spoke for itself. It's incredible.
Jason:You're looking at altitude, you're looking at pitch and all kinds of stuff. You may miss out on the quadrant, but then that's why you have your own quadrant right To have a, and it looked like he was using verbal stuff, which I'm a huge fan of. I would love to build one. So that's my thoughts on it, eric. What do you think about it?
Erick:So I think it'd be interesting if you were doing like road cars, so if you're in a convertible or you're in like a less conventional car where the cockpit is shaped a little bit different, open seater or something like that.
Jeff:Like a prototype too, where you're tighter in there and the window's a little almost. A prototype might work. Jeff, A hundred percent.
Jason:Because, it's so tight, it's not really.
Jeff:Yeah, maybe even a Formula car maybe a little bit too is. You could get the halo coming out and you could see above the halo. Go ahead, eric, I'm stopping.
Jason:It's just coming in. That's all the ideas. Yeah, go ahead, eric, I'm stopping I'm just coming in ideas.
Erick:yeah, um, because I was thinking, obviously with gt7, from week to week we have two like race car races and then you could be in a honda civic, you could be in a trash, can it? They put one random vehicle, you could be in a 1950 Mustang convertible. It could be anything. Just thinking about some of the Just as an experience, having that much vertical where you get a lot more of that sky effect, it could be interesting, I think.
Jason:I think we mentioned it's still flight, flight, though 100% there's a Star Wars flying game as well.
Erick:Oh yeah. I forget what it's called. Is it squadrons or?
Jason:Oh, you know what it might work. Dude For farm sim. You know farm sim.
Erick:Oh yeah.
Jason:When you're driving tractors and shit. What about truck sim? What about?
Jeff:truck sim? Oh yeah, when you're driving tractors and shit, what about a truck sim? What about truck sim? Yeah, maybe.
Jason:Nah, man, you need to see beside you. In a damn truck People come out of respect on the street in truck, sim, I tell you they pull on you.
Erick:They do.
Jason:They come out of respect. Bro, it be getting me upset, because when I'm playing truck sim, I have a few in me and this guy's beeping the horn at me and I just feel like just brake checking him. $100,000, $100,000 pound trailer.
Erick:I have behind me.
Jason:I'm like yeah, eat this bro. I just wish I had the money to just build one and have a flight sim and a sim rig. So if anybody wants to send us something, we're not hard to find.
Jeff:You know, since you opened this can of worms, I've been looking to try to, and I just, unfortunately. I want both right, like I think everybody would, but I don't think you can do both in the same rig. Good, no, you know, and be able to switch within less than 10 minutes.
Jason:There's things that people try to engineer. The thing is, the rudder pedals are essential for flight. It depends you can use your brake and clutch and mimic it your gas and clutch sure.
Jason:Gas and clutch, because your legs are kind of parallel, like this If you had two active pedals. There's people making profiles to mimic a rudder or the feel of the springiness of a rudder, but it's still not the same as a mechanical rudder forcing know, or the feel of the springiness of a rudder, but it's still not the same as a mechanical rudder forcing your foot, you know right, when you push one, the other one slides.
Jason:Yeah yeah yes and that gives you more position on the, you know, on the rudder, it's, it's it's way more precise. You know what I mean. Then you just guessing values in a sim and it might not read it correctly. You just guessing values in a SIM and it might not read it correctly. And then instruments, too. You know all those instruments that look cool and you program your navigation data. I tried, bro, I, I, I used to fly on this. I flew on it a flight sim of 2020 and it's it's hard to get over that there's a steering wheel there, even though I can remove the steering wheel, but the, you know the shaft giggity is pointing at you. You know the whole time yeah, unless you're flying.
Jeff:You know, like a cessna or a something with a yoke, you know like yeah, that's yeah. Well, yeah, you can't do it, because I was like you could just use that as on your ddu. No, yeah, because it's got to go in and out. I I was like you could just use that as on your DDU. No, yeah, because it's got to go in and out. I forgot, yeah, like I said, it's hard, almost impossible, to do both.
Jason:It is. It's kind of choose your weapons. It's kind of like DDUs putting a DDU in front. There's some trade-off. I put mine back on and it's because I've been racing more. I've been racing more than I've ever raced before. Like, yes, I occasionally get in the truck and everything and I just ignore the fact that it's there, but I've been racing a lot more. But yeah, flight has a special heart man.
Jeff:But anyways, shout out Jack Lynch, Killer setup. Jack, if you follow the show.
Jason:I would love to have somebody get a different perspective on this on the show. It would be nice.
Jeff:I'd love to see somebody just do a setup and just see what it is for racing.
Jason:It would be interesting that, before we get into the final parts of the show, there will be a real, life-size F-16 cockpit replica at the Sim Gaming Expo that we are all going to try out. Come on, that could be you.
Jeff:Let's go, let's go.
Erick:So chicane 10, get 10% off.
Jason:You don't just get sim racing, you got farm sim, you got racing, you got racing, you got restaurants You're going to see like the top.
Jeff:What did George say? 15 people race in person.
Jason:Yep.
Jeff:You know, for the championship there's prizes on the line too, if you got the speed. Not some crummy prizes, not some door prizes.
Jason:There's some nice prizes.
Jason:Nice prizes. So I think that, man, if I build, I'll tell you what guys Check out Sing Gaming Expo. I'm still buzzing off of what Jeff showed me because I didn't see that post. I think that the best scenario to save money save is to build a VR, a VR flight setup. That way you can just be in VR, you don't have to worry about monitors, you can use the same PC.
Jason:You just need a little space to have an extra rig. It doesn't have to be a racing seat. It could be a freaking Honda Civic seat. Eric's got one, bill, you need one. It could be any seat and it could be any rig. You know what I mean, because you don't really need it to be that You're not breaking forces of break on it. You need a good, decent, still profile rig so you can customize it and then just add a motion platform. I think that it's doable Without the motion platform. You can add that later. It's not that much if you just put a headset on and a flight stick and a throttle quadrant. That's it. I wish I had the space to do that.
Erick:And the phones. Now Moza does have that.
Jason:The phones. I could get them.
Erick:I could so Moza does have that shifter that doubles as something for a flight sim.
Jason:Was it a throttle or a stick? It's a throttle or a stick. I haven't tested that and I don't think I had to do research on that thing.
Jeff:You could test probably most of this stuff by going to the Sim Expo.
Erick:There you go, jeff. That's a good point, man, yes, that's a good point.
Jason:Yeah, man, I'm excited, I can't wait. I'm getting nervous because the days are coming close on us. But with that guys, we have a few questions that are long overdue, so let us cover those and again, track of the week. We're going to have to postpone that because I want to put out the questions so that way we're back on track with questions. Keep emailing us, we get them, we save every single message and we put it in a queue. It's just that there's. You know, if there's a guest on the show, I try to give time to the guests. Right, with nim cross, I didn't want to take away time from that guy. That guy had a thousand incidents a day. I didn't want him to report my ass hashtag legend because of some freaking.
Jason:You know what I'm saying I'm ready to go. Jason with one with my, yeah sure your first one lead it off.
Jeff:Yeah, so this message from a long time listener one Drew Funk uh oh yeah thank you, drew.
Jeff:Drew, appreciate the uh reaching out. You're, you know, you've been listening to us for a while, so we really appreciate it. But, uh, he said, hey guys just wanted to check in. Chicago's only a four-hour drive, so my brother and I will be making the trip. Can't wait to meet up you guys as uh, as always, love the podcast. Keep up the good work, drew. Appreciate the email, buddy. Cannot wait, you know, to meet you in person. Um, you know, you and your brother, um, it should be a great time here.
Jason:He was probably one of the first ones to email us, so it means a lot that you're still here after a year or so and change. So I really appreciate the follow-ups and stuff like that. It would be amazing, I think, to meet all of you, anybody that comes up to us. Man, it's going to be surreal. It's going to be surreal, so I'll get the next one. This one's from Jacob. He says hi guys, I really enjoy your podcast. Thank you, I love it if you chose Mount Panorama, aka Bathurst, for next week's track of the week. So, jacob, let me go back and tell you that we have covered Bathurst in the past and it was covered by Eric, because I'm pretty sure that's like Eric's favorite track in the entire world, and it was.
Jeff:I think it was like track number two. We did. Yeah, it was pretty early.
Jason:It was track number three. You're almost right, and this one was episode 32. It was ams2 1.6, a game changer. It was when the 1.6 update came out, so it was around december uh says here december 8th. We had a release date for that. Now let me finish the message and we'll turn it over to Eric for the next question. Let me just open this back up. Says it's one of the world's most iconic tracks. I agree. You could also discuss why F1 won't race there. You should really check out our episode man Hashtag death trap A little bit. Man Hashtag death trap A little bit. I think, as a suggestion to make track of the week more palatable, show us some of the greatest highlights of the track. Okay, we are doing that, and if copyright gets in the way, tell us about the most iconic race. Okay, noted, we'll definitely put those in. I look forward to seeing how your podcast grows and evolves over time. Put those in.
Jeff:I look forward to seeing how your podcast grows and evolves over time. Wish you guys all the best, jacob. Thank you so much, jacob. Yes, really appreciate it. Uh, I think, um, max verstappen just went as opposed to the video for somebody of him doing a f4 lap in I racing on mount panorama and he talks about, like, what gear you should be in, where your breaking points are, where you want to run over curves, where you don't. Um, if you know, if that's your track, that you know that speaks to you, give that a watch. It's pretty cool.
Erick:Yeah, beautiful track, death trap, frightening but awesome. It's so scary that I have a, a pickup race there.
Jason:It's so scary that I have a a P cup race there, but it already happened as I'm recording this, so all right, eric, what you got, man.
Erick:Yeah. So the one I have this week is from Mr Michael Von Union. I believe I'm pronouncing that correctly. He says hi, jason, eric and Jeff. First of all I'd like to share that I'm a I'm an avid listener of the podcast. We always appreciate that man. We appreciate y'all supporting us. He says it's wonderful on the way to work and back Love. This Last episode with DNR was great, if only because I share your enthusiasm for the tireless efforts with which DNR brings their products to market Unbelievable. But I kept thinking during that episode all this is great and this glorification of Daniel. But without SimHub none of this would have been possible and I think we really can't ignore what SimHub truly means for our SimRace community. None of what we have now exists in its current accessible state without SimHub DDUs, flagsim, shakers, light Controls, winsim, etc. We as a community owe them so much. I would love to hear an episode with the founder creators of SimHub. Wouldn't that be possible? Kind regards, michael Van Union. Michael, you're speaking to the choir.
Jason:Michael, I've been trying for months now. We're trying, we'll continue to try, and maybe this can serve as a motivational clip that I can take out of it. I would love to have him on the show he is.
Jeff:And we agree with everything you're saying.
Jason:Nikola is the biggest person in sim racing. In my opinion, without Nikola, you won't have anything, you wouldn't have nothing, you would have it's crazy, the old, mediocre stuff. No offense, that's out there. That's been out there for years and years and years and years. That's out there. That's been out there for years and years and years and years. He's taken SimHub and made it. It's a 2025 product and a 26, 27, 28. It keeps getting updated. It gets better and better. I would love to meet him and have a discussion here with him.
Jeff:I feel like he's the most important person in sim racing that nobody knows about. Yeah.
Jason:Yeah, it's a small secret.
Jeff:And I only know because you brought it up. It's not like it's Daniel Morag, all these people out there putting content out. He's just out there grinding away at a product.
Jason:I put Nikola above any celebrity, because he makes my hobby a reality. He makes our hobby as amazing as what that rig is doing back there. And that's all SimHub working right there Lights all that is SimHub.
Jeff:One-time payment.
Jason:And it's a one-time payment, not subscription one-time 10 bucks. You can tell the guy's not in it for the money, he is in it for the hobby, and those people are rare. They're so rare. Oh yeah, love Nikola, if you're watching, bro, just thank you, please, yeah, thanks. Thank you, man, I don't know what to say. I would love to have you here, bro. We'll bring pizza for you if you come on. I think there's one more. Thank you so much for the message, by the way.
Erick:That's a great point.
Jason:I've been trying to get him on then. So, thank you, michael, appreciate it, and Eric.
Erick:Yeah, man, I was going gonna say, um, I got one more, um, I think this will round us out for the week, uh, from mr forrest holland. So he says hi guys love the show and I know y'all grl in the p cup and m2 races. Uh, I run in the league. That's just such larger that does a turn of fun series for all of y'all. There's the main sunday night gt3 league. That's super competitive. On tuesdays there's either a lmp3 gt4 hour race or a gtp lmp2 gt3 multi-class two-hour team race. And then the rest of the week they have a Ice Class, formula V-Race race, arca race and even for Jeff, a Friday Night F4 race.
Jason:What? There you go, Jeffy.
Jeff:There we go Talking my love language.
Erick:He says, yeah, y'all should check us out. We stream most of it, most of the series, on Twitch with a dedicated broadcaster and have a guy who makes killer highlight reels. It's actually the guy who makes the highlight reels for the Sim Gaming Expo. It's Broken.
Jason:Week Racing Week. Oh, interesting. Okay, we need to check this out ASAP.
Erick:Yeah, he said hope to see you on track Forrest Holland. So I'm gonna pull up a little on track Forest Holland. So I'm going to, if it's all right, just pull up a little share of their league site, right, quick.
Jeff:You might as well just go straight to that four here and let's see what that looks like. Do they got anything?
Erick:Okay, they got a nice looking website. Yeah, so they got a GT3 Sprint scoring cars safety system, got Le Mans series here.
Jason:Wait, let's see when the formula arca.
Erick:Okay, arca got arca v's and rays falcon series and all four, so nothing yet. But um, yeah, I think he said fridays is when they do the Formula Four races.
Jeff:But yeah, man this is the only guy we can they got a bunch of stuff they're doing.
Jason:Forrest. We need a timeframe for Hawaii late at night for Jeff. We need to find something fun ASAP.
Jeff:Run the market free agent.
Erick:Yeah, he's been out here racing with randoms man. We got to bring him to the other side. Get him to the promised land.
Jason:He's been surviving man. We got to bring them to the other side. Get them to the promised land, keep them surviving, bro yeah man Surviving turn one the.
Jeff:I-rating is struggling lately.
Jason:Dude. Yeah, man, You're battling lions right now. Tigers and lions every freaking night it's like damn it, man All right, Well, cool man.
Jeff:Thanks for the email there, Forrest. We'll definitely check it out.
Erick:Yeah, man, we appreciate it man.
Jason:Yeah, we'll give this a look and we'll put all the links mentioned on this episode below. Thank you guys, so much for coming out. Any last things, anything. I think I have one more. Just a round table for me is expect to hear about LMU next episode. We're a little behind because of the time frame that this was recorded and I mentioned it at the beginning of the episode that we want to give LMU the time of day to see what's going on and what do they call a V1, because I will be extra critical on that. I'm pretty sure Eric and Jeff probably give their inputs as well. So that's all I got for round table. Eric, jeff, what you guys got.
Erick:Yeah, I got nothing, man, Just trying to actually do some racing.
Jeff:I got nothing. Man Just trying to actually do some racing, I saw that iRacing dropped the hammer on those knuckleheads in the spot 24. Oh, they did, and rightly so Permanent banned right? What's the name of?
Jason:that Jeff? What's the name of that video of that dude that I send you all the time that Max Verstappen loses that. He's laughing and he's sitting in the car. I forget there's a freaking meme and it's like I send that shit to Jeff like I don't know midnight or something. He's like the internet don't stop oh yeah, that's all I got coldplay concert. Just be careful going to Coldplay concerts, bro, don't be on the KISS cam, oh man.
Jeff:Or just don't cheat on your spouse.
Erick:Yeah, they're not cheating probably. Best advice ever but other than that, don't cheat.
Jason:Yes, I agree.
Erick:Don't cheat, but just be careful with the kiss cam.
Jason:I don't know.
Erick:Rob Markman Perception is everything, be careful. Rob Markman. The memes and AI stuff has been hilarious, rob Markman.
Jason:They haven't stopped, bro, rob.
Jeff:Markman, I've seen one with Max getting hugged by Toto.
Jason:Oh yeah. And then now we got AI. It's just getting worse, bro. With AI, now it's just bad bro, it's straight bad.
Erick:Whatever you do, do not take an L on the internet, don't do it.
Jason:I will say I got two more things to say for real, and then we'll shut this one down. So RIP Ozzy Osbourne, legend rock world passed away today. So RIP to him. And the other thing that I wanted to mention, I just forgot about Getting old man.
Erick:I feel like we're about to hear something too. I just forgot about it.
Jeff:So you know man, I feel like we're about to hear something too.
Jason:I had it and I just can't remember. But um RIP Ozzy Osbourne, maybe. I'll remember for the next one. So, uh, it's always fun. It's always fun to come and hang out here guys. Uh, I genuinely enjoy it. I enjoy hanging out with you guys every week.
Jason:Jeff is always surprising us with the cool shit and finding stuff that's outside the box. Thank you, Jeff, You're on the show. Check out their channels, both of them. Eric has the TechGent TechGaming excuse me and he also has the TechGent excuse me. And his also has the the tech gent, which is why I call him the tech gentleman. That's his main bread and butter, and now he's moving over to the sim racing world. And then you have smart living, smart living 808.
Jason:you gotta live smart on the water. So I'm pretty sure there's some things cooking up over there. So I gotta show, you know, gotta show them some love too. So if you guys on the water I'm pretty sure there's some things cooking up over there I got to show them some love too. If you guys appreciate them, I'm pretty sure they'll appreciate a like and a follow on their social media platforms With that guys. Definitely With that guys.
Jeff:Jeff, drop fast and break late.
Jason:I have a look in my face.
Jeff:I was like I got it, I got it, I got it, I got it.
Jason:He understands, bro. So that's never going to end, bro. You started this trend. That was you.
Jeff:Episode three, or something it just came to me.
Jason:It became a staple. So thank you guys so much and have a great start of your week. Thank you.
