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iRacing Buyer's Guide 2025

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Navigating the complex world of iRacing purchases can feel overwhelming, especially for newcomers. In our milestone 50th episode, we tackle this challenge head-on with a comprehensive 2025 iRacing Buyer's Guide designed to save you money while maximizing your racing experience.

The journey begins with selecting your racing discipline and understanding which content offers the best value. We explore why mastering the free BMW M2 builds essential skills that transfer to faster vehicles, and how strategic track purchases can serve you across multiple series for years to come. Our deep dive into iRacingBuyersGuide.net reveals how to identify which cars and tracks appear most frequently in official series, ensuring your purchases provide ongoing value rather than collecting digital dust.

Perhaps most valuable is our breakdown of iRacing's loyalty program – reaching the 40-piece content threshold unlocks a permanent 20% discount on all future purchases. We share insider tips on leveraging legacy content and purchasing in bundles to reach this milestone efficiently while building a versatile racing library.

Beyond iRacing, we explore the evolving landscape of sim racing hardware with a fascinating discussion about VR technology. The BigScreen Beyond 2 headset weighs a mere 127 grams and offers edge-to-edge clarity with a 160-degree field of view – could innovations like this finally make VR competitive with triple monitors for serious racers? We debate the merits of immersion versus practicality and the potential of blended reality setups to offer the best of both worlds.

The episode concludes with an unexpected gem – a riveting history of the illegal Cannonball Run coast-to-coast race. From its humble beginnings as a 51-day journey in 1903 to modern record attempts averaging 110 mph with thermal cameras and police evasion technology, this outlaw tradition captures the spirit of automotive passion pushed to extremes.

Whether you're building your first sim rig or optimizing your existing setup, this episode delivers practical advice, technical insights, and racing history that will enhance your virtual driving experience. Join us for the ride and discover why the Chicane Podcast has become a weekly highlight for sim racers worldwide.


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Jason:

The Hello and welcome to the Chicane Podcast, where we discuss all things in the sim racing world. I'm your host, Jason Rivera, and I'm joined here by Mr Eric Kelly and Jeff Smart. How's everybody doing today?

Erick:

Hey, man doing good. So hyped about the Simracing Expo September cannot get here fast enough.

Jeff:

I know, I'm so hyped man these days are dragging.

Erick:

I'm ready, man.

Jeff:

I mean I hate to wish the summer away, but yeah, september would be cool to be here.

Jason:

Yeah, and it's like a weekend and then we go right back.

Jeff:

I mean it's Especially out here. Yeah, it's going to be a trip for a long weekend, but definitely worth it.

Jason:

Yeah, we're going to bring a case of Red Bull. I'll spill it here, even though he kind of spilled it on our last video in the comments section. But Mr Daniel Newman-Racin will be joining us, joining the entourage, if you may.

Jeff:

Yeah, I booked mine. I'm officially in.

Jason:

That's it. We're fully booked.

Erick:

The three amigos? Yes, sir.

Jason:

Ain't nothing stopping it, man. That's it. Ain't nothing stopping it. We will be there, please, if you haven't yet, check out the the last episode we did. If you're just tuning in uh, we have a special promo code, chicane10 in all caps, to get you 10 off, which is cheaper than f125, thanks to jeff. Jeff's advice, which is the greatest piece of advice I've ever heard in my entire life. So so, ea, you could have had this money, but, yeah, you chose otherwise. So well, let's do the weekly roundabouts. Eric, how was your week, sir?

Erick:

My week was good. I got to do a little more racing. You know I'm grinding to get to my C license that's the new requirement to drive the BMW and the GRL, and also so I can start driving the Porsche. So that's really what I've been focused on. I haven't done a race yet. I will hit it tomorrow. I am .06 safety rating.

Jason:

I'm telling you, man, one race, one world race. Man, you know, in Hawaii sometimes we jump on 9, 10 pm.

Jeff:

And I see Eric Kelly in this green.

Erick:

I'm like damn, oh yeah, yeah man, like Thursday. You know I normally miss the GRL races.

Jason:

Do you?

Erick:

sleep, bro, what's up Now and then? You know I take a little power nap every now and then Sleep when you die.

Jason:

as Jeff told me, Jeff's like the king of the sayings. He as Jeff told me.

Jason:

Jeff's like the king of the sayings. He's taught me so many. You sleep when you're dead or sleep when you're not. Well, that's what's up, man, I really appreciate the determination. If anything, get into the GRL sooner is going to improve you even further. It's going to make you better that way when you do jump in the officials at a decent time, right, so you get some rest, please. Yeah, you're gonna destroy the competition. I know, um uh. Mike from the sim racing then has mentioned that to me many times. Like hey, man, sometimes I jump in the officials right after the grl race and he's killing it on track. So I mean it definitely helps racing with a group of people like that. So big shout-outs again. That's like three episodes in a row. Global League Racing Join it, it's free. You want to race shoulder-to-shoulder with us? The links are in the description. Go. There's nothing stopping you. Just go ahead and check it out.

Erick:

That's right.

Jeff:

Now let's check in on jeff. Jeff, how was your week, sir? Jeter was good, uh, I didn't, for whatever reason. I did not have a lot of the tracks, uh, for the officials and I racing to this week, so I was a little bitter for some odd reason.

Jeff:

But I've been putting off a lot of stuff, software wise, just kind of, you know, the normal maintenance of your, of your rig. So not a lot of racing but a lot of kind of like upkeep around the rig. I'm gonna move, move some hardware around, um, some cable management. You know things that you kind of need to do, but you just when you have a couple minutes to get in there, you just want to race, um, you haven't put up. So I put off a bunch of that stuff. So I used the excuse to not buy, uh, some new tracks and cars this weekend. Do do the things that I needed to do. I think Jason's going to kind of cover that. So help everybody out with that problem so they don't have that same problem later today. But yeah, pretty quiet. I did book my room for the expo in September, so I am.

Jason:

Yes, yeah, let's go, dude. Locked in, locked in, it's going to be a banger, it's going to be a banger.

Jason:

It's going to be epic. I can't wait to see everybody out there. Man, I'm telling you, I'm trying to see about a way of streaming this as well for those that can't attend. I understand, not everybody can just take off for a weekend, or it might be too far, I get it. I'm trying to figure out a way and if I do, then I will most definitely post that here with enough time to let you know what the schedule is going to be. And speaking of streaming, I know we just mentioned GRL. I think I'm comfortable to say here now that every Tuesday and Thursday I am live on Twitch. So if you are interested in seeing us either win or spinning out, or whatever you're trying to, we got it all in there. Having a good time, we're having a good time.

Jeff:

I mean, jason, you have like one of the most professional looking feeds out there. Dude, I'll tip my hat.

Jason:

I try man, I try. Yeah, man, I'll tip my hat. I'll tell you, bro, I try, man, I try.

Jeff:

Yeah, man it's very clean.

Erick:

Yeah, you can see the hard work man.

Jason:

Especially trying to set mine up and looking at yours I'm like damn my man been grinding bro, I appreciate that man, I put a lot of time into that and it's great once you get it set Now, when things start moving around you know you got when you want to add something.

Jeff:

Logos yeah, it's, it's. It's on point. Buddy Put a lot of work into it.

Jason:

Looks good, I appreciate that, guys, I really do. Thank you so much for that. And also I would like to put out another announcement here, and it's more of a question. Put out another announcement here and it's more of a question who wants to see American Truck Sim? They just released Missouri and I feel like trucking. So let me know. Let me know, Leave the comments below. Maybe I'll do one of those. What do you call that? A YouTube post of a question. If you guys would be interested in watching it, let me know. A good time, that's not three in the morning and yeah, just let me know and we'll figure that out. We'll figure it out.

Jeff:

That'd be a cool way to interact with people. Yeah yeah, man, be chill too.

Jason:

It'll be a chill stream. There's going to be some alcohol, so be careful with the kids.

Erick:

I'm telling you right now I It'll be a chill stream. There's going to be some alcohol, so be careful with the kids.

Jason:

I'm telling you right now I'm heavily excited. I'm so excited to have you both and to see Eric for the first time. You took me by surprise when you put that on camera. I was like, oh man, I didn't really. I'd known you for so long that I don't really it don't feel like that.

Erick:

Yeah, it's like's like we see each other every week exactly it's kind of like we crazy, yeah on a screen, but never, never in person.

Jason:

So that's gonna be dope, that's gonna be awesome. So yeah, man, welcome dnr to the posse.

Jeff:

Yeah yeah, speaking of hanging out, we hung out uh. Saturday night watched the f1 qualifying with some uh some cigars and a couple cocktails.

Jason:

That's for damn sure.

Jeff:

That was the highlight of the F1 weekend.

Jason:

Those cocktails were men cocktails. Let me tell you they were pretty strong. Yeah, we hung out for the qualifying race in Suzuka and it was great. The race was safe, Even the driver said it. Nothing really happened on track other than a crash.

Jeff:

They went around the track 52 times. That's about what they did.

Jason:

That's about it.

Jeff:

Yeah, I think the synopsis was and then he fell asleep.

Erick:

Yeah, I think all the drivers pretty much said it was boring.

Jeff:

They just I don't know how you still say it Going around a track at 200 miles an hour is boring.

Jason:

Jeff is definitely a baller. Eric, he rolled up in his bicycle. He's like Gil man. We're keeping this safe. I don't have to worry about Johnny Law.

Erick:

It's one of those electric bikes.

Jeff:

You pedal, it pushes and I had to bring some filament home or a backpack.

Erick:

He brought a backpack, we loaded it up with filament.

Jeff:

It's only like less than a mile away. Yeah, didn't have to worry about you know, johnny Law hemming me up on the way home If Jeff sneezes hard.

Erick:

I can probably hear.

Jason:

Yeah, so well, I'm glad to see you guys again another week, and today marks the 50th Chicane Podcast episode. We're not a year yet, but we're going to have a little special thing for the year, but the 50th I mean it's Bro, that's wild, it's crazy.

Erick:

Big 5-0.

Jason:

5-0. Big 5-0. That's a big milestone. Most podcasts don't make it to 25, and then they say 50. So we're past 50. I don't think we're going anywhere.

Erick:

So not, if we can help it.

Jeff:

It's the highlight of the week, buddy.

Jason:

All right, guys, let's get into the main discussion. And today I had a. I was thinking I was like man, all this talk about Global Racing League and it's you know, it's a league for iRacing. So maybe somebody is getting into iRacing for the first time, maybe they're buying trying the game. I think it's fair 2025 is here that we take a look at what I would recommend, starting out with kind of like a buyer's guide for iRacing. So let's get right into it. First of all, I'm going to show you my own personal iRacing account, without the bank, of course.

Erick:

Hey, that's the piece I was waiting on, man.

Jeff:

I know I just you just un -X those credit cards. That'd be great Disclaimer.

Erick:

Disclaimer Get my pen and pad ready, you know.

Jason:

Okay. So look at that nice GRO logo here reminding me that we got a race coming up, or actually is the past. That's the results there and yeah, pretty cool. So these are my licenses. As you could tell, formula is is. I'm not really racing the formula right now, mostly on the sports class there, um, but but then again these numbers are not. I appreciate it, man. These numbers are not accurate because I haven't been racing per se and officials, I've been stuck in the league. In the league there's no penalty to your safety or I-rating, so it's mainly a community race, if you may.

Jeff:

Oh, that's, a good point yeah.

Jason:

So when you first jump into I-racing, you're going to have to make the decision Either you're going, oval you're going, and oval is I got a surprise for Jeff either oval, sports formula uh, dirt oval or dirt road, which is like rally. So let's say you pick the sport right, Cause it's my favorite currently and that's what we race on the GRL and we do race formula. Sorry, we do race F4s on the GRL, but this is the easiest gateway into the league and also into our racing, and that's because we have a brand new car called the BMW M2, right? So let's go ahead and take a look at it.

Erick:

Yep Little beast.

Jason:

Let's look at the CS Racing. Well, I can't say there she is, it's still loading. This is the web browser, so I don't know if it's going to load. I hope it does.

Jeff:

Anyways, that'll work.

Jason:

That'll work. We're looking at car info, right. So here's the car. Iracing is kind of those games, that extra polish. You know the cars actually come with a manual and you know you get to read about them. This is just a one pager, but I'm pretty sure they come with a little more.

Jeff:

It is kind of cool how they do do that. When they release the car, they give you a lot of the specs and more than just a paragraph.

Jason:

Right? Or just the name of the car and the horsepower, and that's it Exactly. So you have all the details of the car. You have different shots which are professional and very nice iRacing shots here and you can paint the car whatever. Here's the list that you these are all the sessions that the car is racing in. So this gives you an idea. So if I start driving the BMW, it's a free car, it comes with a subscription. These are all the sessions that people are racing in right now, at least in our local time. So it's not many racing right now. It's kind of late for the rest of the world. But you know you catch my drift right. So let's go a little deeper. You already know you're going to use the car. It's free, it's included. So if we go into official here, I was looking at NASCAR Jeff.

Jeff:

Look at you after yeah.

Jason:

After all this shit talking, you say it.

Jeff:

We watched some NASCAR this weekend.

Jason:

That's another thing. We kept drinking and we was watching that NASCAR Drive to Survive-like show to see what's it called.

Jeff:

I forget, oh man, full Throttle.

Jason:

Something like that, yeah.

Jeff:

I don't remember. It was entertaining.

Jason:

It was cool, yeah, so, like you're going to look at rookies, so that's where you're going to start and you have an actual league. That's all M2s. You don't have to worry about performance. You don't have to worry about setups they're fixed setups right here. Fixed meaning there's not a guy that's going to tune the car to make it faster than you, right, this is just a fix all around. You don't have to worry about fuel very easy to get into. So let's say, I want race here and they, they look at this ui man, they they've made it so much better than what it used to be. Um, the schedule here?

Jason:

yeah, go ahead, eric no, I was just saying that track is rough oh yeah, wenton is is no joke, so at least it's it least it's going to be sunny out there, with not 7% chance of rain right here for that race. But if we go to the schedule, it'll tell you that I've owned all these tracks. Did I buy any of these? No, they come with your subscription, so you don't have to worry about any purchase with the M2. Now let's switch gears. Now let's say you want to get into the Formula 4, which is probably one of Jeff's favorite cars. Let me just filter the FIA F4. So this is a paid car, not the prettiest looking one, but a nice livery will make it look a lot better.

Jeff:

A lot better.

Jason:

Yeah. So you choose this vehicle. These vehicles are like I think it's $1099 or is it $1199? Guys, correct me, I think it's $1199. $1199. So it is what it is right. So you get to the. You you want to race this car. You go to officials, I, I go over to formula and that would be a D class, right there, it is Challenge, right here. So then this gives you where is it? You can look at the schedule and you can say, ignoring that I own almost all the freaking time. There's still some out there that I don't own. But, for example, they're saying there's still some out there that I don't own. But, for example, they're saying, let's say, well, if you don't want to spend so much money at once, you could do this by the week or you could do it by the month, and you can kind of see and plan out. Ok, I do own Long Beach, for example, which is an amazing track.

Erick:

I think that's a brutal track.

Jason:

Yeah it's fun as hell. That's yeah. Yeah, it's fun as hell. So this track, would you know you could plan out um for the sixth week, right? This is, this is going by weeks, so this will be on each and every week. It's a different track.

Jason:

Now your next question is I don't want to spend a track and it never be used again. So how do you know that, right? So how? So how do you know that, right? So how do you, how do you get that information, right? So we went over how to purchase a car. We went over how to look at a schedule for a particular um event, right, which is this one? I'm just taking these two, for example. Now I'm going to stop sharing and go over to another screen that I have ready and it's this guy. So this guy is a tool that was created. I can't, I don't know the creator's name, but he's doing God's work because he's taking your. He's taking your tracks, right, and you can come in here and filter and add a track and tell them which ones you own and which ones you don't, and it tells you which ones are free. So I can just filter it out this way that this Lanier or Lanier, I don't know how to say that National Speedway is being used 51 times this season and it's free. That's wild.

Jeff:

From 13 times last season.

Erick:

Right, that's a glow up For real.

Jeff:

You think yeah.

Jason:

So if I look up what was that track again that we looked up just now, the Long Beach right oh okay.

Erick:

Yeah.

Jason:

So if we look at Long Beach, I can click on Long Beach and I can see all the events that Long Beach is participating in this season. So this changes every season. So it tells you week two. Week four is being used and for each series yes man, that's, that's handy man and right here week six, which is accurate, right, we just looked at it the formula fia challenge yo, this dude puts in some work, yeah, so it's got to be automated somewhere.

Jeff:

Right, you can't be hand jamming this stuff.

Jason:

And there's a $14.95 that tells you that it's $24.

Jeff:

Oh, that's dope. It tells you like, hey, here's the price and here's how many times If you bought it last year, how many times you would have got to use it.

Jason:

Right. So if you bought this last season, it was used 22 times last season and now it's being used 25 times, so look at it as an investment. I know it's. I know I racing is pricey, but if you want, if you want to race on the I racing platform and you want that realism and you want to race you know, potentially race side-by-side real-life drivers this is the platform to do it on.

Jeff:

It is we were talking about this at work over like you can do an AI race and the moment you jump back into official knowing that there's a human on the other side of that car that you're racing, it's totally different.

Jason:

Cuts a little bit harder. Cuts a little harder. Yeah, so you can also do the same thing with the cars right, cause it's a little bit harder, cause a little harder, yeah, so you can also do the same thing with the cars right, and you can see that. That Ferrari 296 that I advised Eric last year to purchase Yep, if you want to race GT3, that single car is being used in 12 different seasons. And here they are, it's ownari gt3 challenge, the rain master, which if you want some slipping and sliding then by all means.

Jason:

And then you know you even got imsa racing. It has, from rookie all the way to a class that you can use this car, this one car, so it's, you know, it's kind of um, it's actually the most used car on the season right now, which is crazy. So so you kind of catch my drift right. This is iRacingBuyersGuidenet. You can take your data. You can let me see if it lets me, if I click on my tracks, then you can it automatically. Yes.

Jeff:

Oh no, it's got. These are the free tracks.

Jason:

Oh, the ones that come free with it.

Jeff:

Yeah, yeah, okay. So you have to go in and enter your own stuff. For what you have, you'd have to cross-reference.

Jason:

Exactly so. If I went over to Long Beach right, where's Long Beach? Say. I put Long Beach and now I look for Long Beach. Like, for example, if I look at tracks again and I look at Long Beach, now it's highlighted in green telling me that I own this content. So if you just take the time, look at your content, if you're new, obviously you're not going to have anything. But if this is year two for you for iRacing, or a few months in, and you want to figure out what kind of track, what kind of car should I be buying to get the most bang out of my buck, right, you go to the official iRacing app and you basically cross-check, look at my content, and then it'll tell you all the tracks that you own. And then you start marking them off here and once you do that, this thing has cookies and it saves to your desktop or your browser so you don't have to do it again. And there's no account, there's no, nothing.

Jason:

There's no ads, it's great.

Erick:

It's a great tool. That's rare.

Jason:

Very rare, very handy. This tool is not new. It's been being used for years. And there's one more tip I'll give you and I'll let, I'll let, I'll let, I'm not trying to spend. Here we go. Another topic of me trying to make you spend money. Trying to make you say I'm trying to save money. Now I'm trying to make you say if iRacing is for you.

Jason:

If ACC is still a great game I still get on there from time to time there's other platforms. If you don't feel like spending extra money right every month, pay attention to the news, because sometimes cars go into legacy mode and by purchasing those vehicles it adds to your iRacing counter Meaning whenever you own 40 pieces of content. If they haven't changed this, 40 pieces of content gives you a permanent 20% off on anything else you buy from iRacing. So it doesn't matter if you buy one track, two track three, four, you get a 20% off. So now they only discount in threes. You know the three for 10, I think what is it? What is it? Four for 15? Or something like that.

Jeff:

Yeah, I don't remember. I always try to do threes because of it.

Jason:

You try to do threes because of it. You try to do threes, but there's going to be a point where you're going to get close to 40, right? So these cars that are sunsetting, iracing will tell you hey, if you bought this Mustang supercar, whatever and we have a new Mustang coming out replacing that, I go ahead and I buy that Mustang, the legacy one because iRacing will credit the money back as long as the purchase is within 90 days of the content being releasing. So just a tip and don't crucify me if they change that rule. Just pay attention. Just pay attention. It's out there, and I want to give a big shout out to Vlad, aka VLAD, for letting me know. This tip Saved me a bunch of money and I got some free cars that I can mess around with. That's an extra car. Even though it's not being raced, I can still use the car if I want to, and that's my take on an updated buyer's guide for iRacing 2025 as we stand.

Erick:

Yeah, that's awesome man. Kind of a refresher for me, because I remember when I first started you were kind of showing me all the ropes, iRacing, and I need to go back to that site and start tracking some of my purchases, especially with me tonight Moving to the C license. Uh, so yeah, this happened in tonight, so getting up out the rookies and looking at some different cars and stuff.

Jason:

I can't wait for the screenshot, jeff. The screenshot is coming, or the video, who knows?

Erick:

whichever one comes first, but it might be a little of both men.

Jason:

Yeah.

Erick:

This is is uh, it's gonna be fun, but, um, I guess do you have. I know you recommended the porsche. Uh, I mean, at the porsche, the ferrari 293, um 296 I mean 296 gt3. Um the. We talk about the bmw. I know it's free, but it's labeled a rookie car. But you got to tame that mug man. So, do you have any other recommendations if you're a rookie trying to get going?

Jason:

So here's my take on it. I think if you can drive the BMW, then you can drive the faster cars, and that's what everybody wants, right? Nobody wants to be stuck in rookies, unless you enjoy the BMW and you want to join the M Sport, because they have their own league and stuff like that. I say just stick with the BMW and learn it. It's going to be messy, it's going to annoy you, it's going to spin, she's going to scream, she's not going to stop.

Jason:

But if you can tame that car, then you learn something right. Why choose the easy way out?

Jeff:

That's my opinion, why? That's why I think people are so quick to learn to get out of rookies and I was guilty of it too, but it's funny, you don't learn it until after, until it's too late. But uh, even on the formula side, I drove the was it the ff, 1600 or 1600 ff in rookies and you're so quick to get out of that damn car because it doesn't zero down force and it's slow. Um, you breathe on it the wrong way and you get an incident. Um, still a great car, but it teaches you, like, fundamentals of driving. Um, so there is something to be said about learning and mastering the car that you're driving in rookies right, learning to drive without the aids is what we're talking about.

Jason:

Or it doesn't have to be abs and tcs, it could be downforce, it can be weight trend. You know all this, all these topics, right. And jeff, thank you so much for for mentioning the f 1600, because the ff 1600, because that's the car that I would recommend to start in a formula, or the V but the V is another one that if you downshift it wrong, if you, if it will turn you up sideways, man, but then it's kind of like you have this sense of appreciation for it, because it's kind of like you have this sense of appreciation for it, because it's like you know, I struggled to get out of here and now I earned my spot in a faster vehicle, in a faster class I'm ready for the super formulas.

Jason:

Let's go straight in the super formula.

Erick:

Yeah, yeah, and I want to put this tip out there. I know we talk, um, there's well, I don't talk it. There's a lot of talk, a lot of smack talked about gt7. But if you are trying to dip your toe into the iris and waters and you're in that v or that bmw, don't give up. That's, that's all I'm gonna say. Don't give up, because that's all I'm going to say. Don't give up Because it's a learning curve. But it is like they were saying, it is satisfying.

Erick:

When you get your first win, like Mr Kelly, yeah, you get that first win and you get a certificate man.

Jason:

What other game spits out a freaking science certificate? I've never seen one. I know we paying for it, though Exactly I paid for that certificate you got my money, I got my certificate.

Erick:

But exactly, I paid my money, we got my money, I got my certificate, yeah, but you but to y'all's point, you feel like you're, you're driving a machine. They're all different. You know you. They have different tendencies and you know things. They like, things they don't like. Right, really kind of get into the mode of like this is my car, like this is what I'm driving, and not that I'm gonna stick to it, like that, but you learn it, I think you're learning racecraft in it.

Jeff:

Right, you're first. Yes, you're learning just to keep it on the road. But right as you leave rookies, you're starting to feel like, oh, I can not take the fast line and still go quick, you know, or I can. You know somebody is on the racing line, I can go off the racing line, still be fast to pass them.

Jason:

And you're just slowly learning race craft with it and I know formula, for damn sure teaches you how to lift, to be in the turns. Instead of always matching the brake, which is the, you know, the regular gt car you have to get the brakes to get the car to turn. Most of the time, right, you, most of the time with the bmw, you're steering with the rear. You're not even steering with the front. The rear of the car is moving the car's trajectory with your brake, which is crazy to think. Yeah, something like a cart. If you don't know that that you're gonna have a hard time in this car. You might want to practice a lot to get it going yes, yeah, that piece is like I said.

Erick:

It's almost like driving a go-kart kind of, because yeah like eric, but you, you brought up a good point.

Jason:

Man, don't give up. It's, trust me, the the beauty of the game happens after, when you start buying a track, and then you notice that the tracks that you purchase look better than the ones that are free.

Jeff:

It's just the ones that are free are old. Funny how that happens.

Jason:

I know it's crazy, right, it's interesting. It's a premium track now, that's not a free track. Yeah, and one more thing With iRacing, it's just, there's nothing wrong. Let's say you enjoy the bmw, I enjoy the bmw, I race it on grl. But if I didn't race it on grl I would join the m the m club for it, even though I'm an a-class driver. That it doesn't mean you don't have to. Just because you have a higher license doesn't mean that you have to drive the faster vehicle. And Jeff, you can attest to this. You enjoy the F3. The F3 is your baby, or the F4. I think it's the F4. And your license is way higher than the requirements for an F4, but you gravitated to that vehicle and that racing and that craft. So there's nothing wrong. It's kind of like being trust me, there's some very serious people when you start climbing the ranks in there. I can guarantee you that.

Jeff:

You can say that again.

Jason:

So that's my updated take. For once, I'm not trying to make you spend money, I'm trying to. I'm looking for ways for you to save money, even though it's related to spending. So, um, if, if, yeah, if you want to give iRacing a shot, I mean, just sign up and do a month and don't give up, like Eric said. So that's my take, that's my topic for today. Definitely that's my take.

Erick:

That's my topic for today. Definitely I'm going to have to go on their site and get my stuff uploaded.

Jason:

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Erick:

That bell does share it out, tell your friends, tell your mom and them you know, yeah, all right man.

Jason:

So who's up next, eric, what we got today, man for you uh, yeah, man.

Erick:

So you know, when we talk a lot about our racing, um, our respect and appreciation for it is through the roof. But there are other ways to race, some more controversial than others, and I was going to stick to just talking about the newest console that was revealed, the Switch 2. But I think, just in general, racing on consoles is going to become more and more popular and it seems like the developers for these simulators are taking notice of that. Specifically, on the PS5, you know, we got Rensport coming, ace Evo is coming to the PS5. You already have ACC and a set of Corson there, and so it got me to thinking. With the new nintendo switch 2 that's coming out, um, obviously you think about racing on there, you think about mario kart, but they actually had some, you know that. But the original switch, I can't speak to how well it ran, but they, they actually had some racing titles. They had WRC, they had, I think, f1. The NASCAR 25 game is already announced.

Jeff:

That might be the only way I drive F1. It's on a switch on the airplane or something. That's what.

Jason:

I do, man, I have a. What do you call those? A Legion Go.

Erick:

Yeah.

Jason:

And I play it. I have F1 installed there. That and I play I have f1 installed there, because that's how I would.

Erick:

Yeah it's better than nothing yeah, yeah, if I'm in, if I'm stuck in an airplane, hell yeah, and I need my fix, let's go, let's go, let's go. Sorry, no. So so to y'all's, to y'all's point. Um, you know, even like for me I don't have a, a mobile console, but doing remote play on on the PlayStation with my phone and the backbone controller, if there's a new track when I was like kind of going hardcore on GT7, if there's a new track out, I might just pop that out, just so I can learn the track. Use my phone and the backbone is kind of go around the track. You know, not trying to be the fastest, but just getting familiar with it before I actually hop in the car. But you know, not trying to be the fastest but just getting familiar with it before I actually hop in the car. Um, but you know, to your point, if you have nothing else, the switch to if you're not.

Erick:

With the specs, um, it's got some respectable specs. So the new display does 1080p in handheld mode. It does vr, hdr10 up to 120 hertz. They say. Suppose it's going to have 12 gigs of RAM. You got 256 gigs of storage, a custom NVIDIA GPU. So the performance, I think just for handheld, might be there, and, with the console being targeted more for Ascendant developers, I think it'd be interesting to see if that becomes more commonplace, right I mean nintendo definitely has uh their share of the market, the gaming market, yeah but there's one thing that turned me off from the Switch 2.

Jason:

And that's the $79.99 per game that I can't get behind. They're coming out of respect with this price, and especially at the price of the console. They want $450 for this thing. Yeah, if we're going to, you know that's some cheddar. Yes, you know, I can dare say I can build the PC with 500 bucks if I'm careful, and you guys know I'm not careful. But if I really but if I'm careful, no truer words.

Erick:

You can't take it on a plane, though.

Jason:

You can't take it on a plane. This is true. Boy's got a point but if you build the pc and it has um steam on it and you play games on steam, which 99.9 of us do. You can use your cell phone and use steam link and connect your. You can have your pc remote turn on and play anywhere. Just you need a decent internet connection and nowadays flights, you know star, you know, starlink we got. Starlink man, we got full bandwidth on the plane. I'm telling you. It's just this whole.

Jeff:

Hawaiian out here is standard with Starlink now.

Jason:

It depends. Okay, we're being a little too biased, right?

Erick:

A little piece of bias, I'm being biased.

Jason:

Me, jason, it depends. If my life revolved around travel like that, then I guess I don't have time for racing, I don't have time to do any of this stuff. Then, yeah, I would be invested in something that's a good point.

Erick:

That's a valid point. And, out of curiosity, what is your Legion Go cost, just for comparison, because I know it's a beast?

Jason:

I bought it on sale so I paid $499 for it and it has Windows 11. It's a beast of a machine 8.8. 120 hertz, and it has VRR on it and it has the same detachable Joy-Con-like controller. I 3D printed some goodies for it too, of course. I 3D printed a D-pad and modded it to make it fit the Xbox Elite magnetic D-pad. So I printed out a machine, cracked it open, installed it, put the magnets in. I've been busy in the sweatshop, that's what I call it.

Jason:

It's been sweat and plastic all over the place. But you know what? I don't want to discredit it too soon. The Switch is coming out on June 5th. We will definitely take another closer, deeper look at it. But nintendo is not in in it for the graphics, or they're. They're in it for their first parties. Mainly is what they're in it for yeah so I can see a steam 2 coming out and just a goodbye switch.

Erick:

Yeah yeah, yeah, I think the landscape is going to be interesting. Just the idea of.

Jason:

And the price of games $80 a game. Come on man.

Erick:

That's brutal.

Jason:

We got Steam sales daily, every day, there's a Steam sale for $15, $12 a game. I'm not saying that. That's what they cost when they come out.

Erick:

I'm not saying that CD keys.

Jason:

Or what you call.

Erick:

What is the other one, g2a? G2a is a good one, but we're not sponsored. I would again yeah, I'm looking for you, I'm looking for you.

Jason:

We are open, we're open yeah, we're open as as of as of right now, we're open, so yeah, you know why you can't without saying, without saying too much, but you know, you know where to find this exactly, yeah, I appreciate that. I guess that's a good first look. Uh, what about jeff? You've been quiet about this. I know if, if your son finds out that there's a switch to on the horizon, you know, yeah, he's not he's, we don't, we're not really big into the gaming here.

Jeff:

He's, uh, I mean, the minecraft is really what he's into now which is that's a hard game to smart. You got to be smart, yeah, I mean he does it on his ipad and he gets it. You know, I think he played. We let him play just in the weekend, so we're not huge into that scene yet. Um, but yeah, my last job though my last job.

Jason:

I'm just kidding. I'm kidding, what's that? And then his dad is in. It is in the yeah I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

Jeff:

But if I trapped, like my last job, I traveled a lot, um, and if I could play f1, you know 20, whatever, as much as I crap on it, but if I could play it on the airplane, dude, that that's what I see it. I mean at least from if I was doing from my perspective. It would be, as you know, something that I travel, or or if my kid had it and I, you know, would just put, you know, put some of the you know the f1 on it. When I could get on it, at least I could, you know, jam away at you know some racing, it would be just added benefit. But yeah, we're just not into it.

Jason:

The, the um, the gaming, the gaming scene got you understand, yeah, totally definitely totally understand that and and respect towards that as well. So, yeah, all right, so switch to we will, we will, we will see. Because they they had a pre-order open for this week and it got canceled because of a slight change in things coming into the United States In pricing.

Erick:

You know what I mean. Yeah, that pricing was crazy though.

Jason:

Still, yeah, I mean we'll see. We'll see what they figure out. I don't know if they know somebody, I don't know.

Jeff:

We'll see Another call out of shots, man, all right. So over to jeff, jeff, what you got for us, all right. So I got a topic today. It's going to be kind of centered around vr, um, and it's. I got a kind of a discussion and a question here that I want to put. You know, throw to you guys. Uh, as I kind of start, the discussion here is uh, what would you say is the biggest reason why people don't drive vr? You know, you guys been in the gaming and the racing world longer than I have and have our vr expert, take this full stop so well, how did you say it, jeff, not full stop?

Jason:

what did you say again? Um, I forgot, I'll remember. Go ahead, jeff, I mean eric, go ahead yeah, I laying it on racing.

Erick:

Oh yeah, hey, man, we got to get these quotes on the shirts.

Jason:

Man, I need that I rewinded my own video like 10 times. I was dying. I was like you guys. Eric, jeff, your face, bro. I'm sorry I had to take that. Go ahead, eric.

Erick:

I was going to say, as of right now, with VR, strictly VR, not mixed reality, which I think is the pinnacle of the future but with pure VR the immersion is unbeatable, right?

Erick:

The problem is, you know you guys were telling me before and the more I spend time setting up my rig and adjusting stuff, you know, getting button boxes and all this stuff. You spend a lot of money on your rig and you want to see your rig, you want to see your screens, the buttons on your wheels. You know, and there's just no good way to interact with the real world things while you're in VR. Like VR is immersive but there's just no way to interact with that stuff.

Jason:

And then also like I said I haven't raced VR. That's for sim racing right.

Jeff:

You're talking straight sim racing. Yeah, I'm talking sim racing, yeah, sorry. Yes, straight sim racing, okay, yeah, yeah.

Erick:

if it's straight sim racing, that's my biggest kind of downfall. I haven't even on GT7, when I raced GT7, I kind of rarely put the headset on now just because I'm, you know looking at my you know lap times and I've got this, all this data, kind of configured the way I want it.

Jason:

Do you feel like you're becoming more competitive in a way by doing that and and and relying on the data more than it sounds like you rely more on data than you, that than you've ever before? Right that you're actually. You're actually seeking it like where is, where is all this stuff in gt7. Then you found the, the engineer. You're trying to bridge the gap.

Erick:

That's a good point yeah, yeah trying to watch yeah, that's, that's true. The data definitely helps and then, to a certain extent, the, I guess, the consistency and the comfort. So with VR you can get into the same spot, but I don't know, it's, it's not like. It's not like being in your, like, your rig. The same exact way every single time. The screens are the exact same distance, every single time.

Jason:

That's a good point.

Erick:

So you got some, not just muscle memory but you have a, I guess, yeah. Yeah, cause there's a difference, because originally I would. When I first started racing back on the on the flat screen from the VR especially in cars, I was very familiar with racing in VR. There was a difference, but there were certain things like I was like adjust the headset and try to get things just right.

Jason:

And over and over.

Erick:

Yeah, and try to get things just right. Center it over and over, yeah, and throughout a race. You don't have to worry about things kind of adjusting. And that's specific to the PSVR too, because of the small sweet spot on it which I know like the Moto Plus 3.

Jason:

Most of them are like that, bro. Honestly, most of them.

Erick:

And then like the comfort thing too. Like you know, they get hot, especially if you're in a rig for a long time trying to do a long race.

Jason:

Um, and you're. You're disconnected from the world too, like if you have. If you have people in the house, you know it's easy to quickly glance over and say hey give me a second or I'll be right there, you know what I mean. Instead of literally just having to do this, you do that.

Erick:

You, you. Well, you got past. Yeah, you got passed through. But you know if you're mid-race, mid-corner and yeah, but yeah, yeah, you you can't do that, so I can't tell if that's a child or a dog rubbing my shoulder right now. You know I might.

Jason:

Yeah, you, I've used vr you kind of use a little tiny, little little tiny gap around the nose and you're like you know what I'm talking about. I do. I know exactly what you're talking about? Yeah you're trying to find that little gap of light.

Erick:

Hey, hold on, give me yeah, so it's, yeah, it's like the immersion is next level, but at a certain point you're too disconnected.

Jason:

Okay, disconnection.

Jason:

Yeah, all right, josh, what you got, I'll go next. See, with VR there's a trade-off. Some games look better than others, but there is a trade-off with detail. I'm not saying that I mean, if we're talking immersion, then the higher the detail, the better you can see the cars, the better you can see the depth of field, the better you can gauge the distance between your bumper and their bumper, and then it's limited. It's not limited because of the headset, it's limited because of the development 90, I want to say 80.

Jason:

Development goes towards the sim being on a single monitor, and I'm not even going to say, uh, triple, monitor the dead, the. The way the game was coded was for a single monitor. Then it gets expanded to triple and then further expanded in a virtual space. Now, unless you're racing, a game that was meant for virtual racing, like gran turismo 7, was a game that was heavily designed to work. They wanted the game to look exactly the same or better in VR, which is one of the, which is one of the, what you call this. But there's still drawbacks right, there's, there's still drawbacks from running the game in VR. You're not going to get a 4k 120 image. It's, it's going to be upscaled to death. You know what I mean. It's going to be heavily upscaled there. Going to be see.

Jason:

Psvr is impressive piece of tech. It uses something called phobiotic rendering, so it'll follow your eyeball whenever. Wherever your eyeball is focusing, that picture will become um, it's at its clearest, and everything else. And it does it really well, like it literally scans your eyes when you first buy it and then you look around, it tells you to look around to figure out. You know your iris. They have since brought that to PC. Has that. They have it. It's just a separate third-party software that you install. That we may go over, because I know Jeff's's using vr more and I've been wanting to tell him hey, man, you need to check out. I think it's xvr or something like that. I'll correct myself in the in the description, but there's a bunch of different software yeah, and it has all those phobetic rendering.

Jason:

Some of them even have dlLSS built into the headset, which is wild. That's crazy, yeah. So I say to not sugarcoat it too much. I say just choose your path, man. There's limitations to both, there's cons, there's pros and cons to both of them. A lot of people want to get into the vr scene because they feel like it saves money, because you don't need to buy a stand, you don't need to buy monitors, you don't need to buy standing monitors or and the well, you wouldn't.

Jeff:

You wouldn't pay for a super nice wheel and all that other stuff, right exactly?

Jason:

if I had a full vr set, I would buy a mid-range wheel like a cube control that doesn't have a screen on it, like an FX, like a core. You know the FX core. It feels good in the hands. It has maybe 12 buttons.

Jeff:

Just quick ones yeah.

Jason:

It doesn't have any of the flashy little clicky and nothing like that, something that you could just grab on and all the buttons are in this range, right right here and, let's be honest, no, no, daniel newman racing no dnr yeah, see, that's the, that's so dnr dnr, dnr brings your rig to life.

Jason:

It, yeah, it, it. It does it with the. It's not just led. A lot of people just think it's leds. No, it's not just LED. A lot of people just think it's LEDs. No, it's not just LEDs. The man's making dashboards, he's making, ambient lights he's making, but these lights are not just lights to be lights. They lights that mean things that are visual cue that drivers in the real world have that we don't have because we're sitting behind a computer. Now, if you put a VR headset, that we don't have because we're sitting behind a computer, now, if you put a vr headset, you're straight up blind. Yeah to all of that. Yeah, so that's my take. Okay, I say choose your path wisely. What do you think? Uh, jeff, I know you've been, you know you've been tinkering lately.

Jeff:

Yeah, it's, I don't know I. I think you guys summarize the pros and cons pretty well. Um, and I'm not going to rehash it. I mean, I drive the. The immersion is just. If I'm not out there to, like you know, get a, you know a p1, a podium or whatever, and I just want to go out and have a great experience, I'll be, I'll drive vr because the, you know, it just is the immersions there, um. But if I want to drive competitive um, or if I'm just gonna be in there quick and I know the kids are going to come in, I'll just drive with the triples. But what I did want to bring into this discussion is there's a new headset on the market that I just wanted to talk to real quick and maybe people have heard of it, but the big screen beyond two, what's that? I?

Erick:

said Yowzers.

Jeff:

Yeah, the price is expensive, right, I'm not going to sugarcoat that, but I'll just quickly go through some specs here and requirements for Windows 10, obviously, displayport 1.4, and you need a decent computer to run this thing optimally. But what I really want to kind of get into is the, the like the screen on it. It is not a step up from the original beyond uh, you know, but it does have old uh 2560 by 2560 per eye it's. It maxes at 60 megahertz 2560, that's 2k, yeah. So here's where it gets. You know the the, the part that people are saying that it's the big deal. It's 160 degrees FOV, but total edge-to-edge clarity. No sweet spot on it Now, given they're still in early release and the people out on the interwebs and YouTube that are reviewing it are probably getting a deal on it, right?

Jeff:

Um, but here's where I kind of asked the question on why vr gets not, as isn't as popular as it potentially could be. Is the quest 3 is 515 grams. Any guesses on this one? You can probably see it on the screen somewhere 127, I'd say this one wow, yeah, that's super light, yeah. So what I want to do is probably the band.

Jason:

There's no battery either. Is there even a battery in this?

Jeff:

yeah, um, I believe so. Um, but probably tiny. Yeah, what I really want to do is which we don't care about.

Jeff:

We're plugged into the pc, it don't really matter right, exactly, um, but check this out for like a comparison of how, the size of these things so you can see them there in the front, there the clear one and the orange lens compared to some of the more popular uh vr headsets. So when we started talking about you know longer races, um, this might be. If your only downfall is the weight on your face and the sweat, then you know this potentially could be. You know something that you think about.

Jeff:

So I'm not here to say that it's um, you know the next thing best thing out there. Everybody that I've, videos that I've watched, are saying that the, you know the FOV is awesome and the clarity is fantastic. Um, you know, time will tell when it really comes out. Another thing that's interesting is I watched the release video from Big Screen Beyond Dude, what a company. They said, hey, if you ordered the original in the last I think it was like three weeks we haven't sent it out. Why? Because we're going to send you the Beyond 2 at the price you just paid for the Beyond 1. Like, what a company.

Erick:

Nice, that's nice.

Jason:

I'm glad that it's the 2, because the 1, I looked at these and I've heard that there were comfort issues with the first one, so hopefully that got resolved. Yeah, it is at these, and I've heard that there were comfort issues with the with the first one, so hopefully that just got resolved yeah, it is, uh, just a quick.

Jeff:

I wasn't planning to talk about it, but they take a 3d scan of your face and they build a mold for your face, which is super cool, but part of it is like I like bringing people over and throwing the goggles on them and jumping in there and they can like like holy shit, this is awesome.

Jason:

I think it's cool both ways. But yeah, with when you're right like yo, I got like kind of like I have my own formula seat and it's mine yeah, I got my own goggles, but they're not going to get the experience.

Jeff:

You're not going to be able to explain to them how cool it is because it's not going to just fit perfect. And they have adjust. The new one's got the adjustable. You know, I forget what the what the term is, when they can move the lens in and out. Um, I forget. It's a funny word.

Jason:

We know what you mean though. So you you move the lenses in for yeah got you.

Jeff:

So here's, here's my follow on. Question is Eric, you kind of alluded to it is VR. I'm not sure we'll get any more popular than it is, but now that we're seeing you know I follow a bunch of those Facebook groups, jason, that you moderate for and a bunch of the other ones um, those blended reality video of videos or people that are do people are experienced and are setting up is next level, where you're seeing your wheel and the screen. You can draw the cut line of where you're seeing it and what you're seeing it in the blending is is pretty dope. Now, it's not the clarity of lenses not being in the way, right, we're never going to, you're never going to compete with what you're seeing in real life.

Jeff:

Um, but it's dope. If you ask me, like that's what I'm trying to get set up, where I can see my stuff, but obviously you know the VR immersion, so looking around and stuff. So what's your guys' thoughts? You think Blended Reality is going to eventually kind of compete with Triples or do you think Triples is still going to be? Take the cake.

Jason:

I think it will. I think it'll be the end of triples. Um, if it ever comes out and we we need you know, we need you guys we need a sim racing manufacturer that builds a headset specifically designed for sim racing. Because these headsets, this big screen company you're talking about, they, they didn't start off making a headset, they, they started off making an app which is like a movie theater that you can go and watch free movies, which, I'm guilty, it's kind of cool sitting in a movie theater with a 100-inch screen and then you got people around you.

Jeff:

It's kind of creepy, uh. So this, so the, the the beyond. The first one is popular in the um, uh, the sim flying, the um flight sim, flight sim excuse me.

Jason:

Yeah, yeah, um, why I? I don't know it, just it seemed to be everyone I watched was a was a flight sim dude, especially dcs. You know um, you're flying fighter jets and stuff.

Jeff:

You can fly and any that if it's got wings it'll fly, and something's without wings?

Jason:

and I will tell you this there's, if you're a fly, if you're flying and doing combat, specifically combat in the air, you're not doing that on triple screens, you're doing that in a vr headset. There's no way you're. Because you need, because you need full 360. You need full 360. And a car is cool to look at the roof and look at the sticker on the dash and look at the shifter down here, but when you're racing, your eyes are on the horizon. It may be left, it may be right, maybe looking in through a turn, but it's a very smooth flying bro. You're looking up down behind you.

Erick:

Missile lock oh shit, yeah you're looking up down behind you missile lock.

Jeff:

Oh yeah, you're looking down at your gauges and stuff. And yes, yeah, yeah.

Jason:

So I think that will be a huge market for for them. But again, we need somebody, we need a company that can come out with I think pymax is the closest one that's trying to make that crazy fov that that's like damn near wraps your entire face. And because their focus is gaming, these guys's focus is a light headset that you can lay in bed with and watch a movie.

Erick:

It's not really yeah, or just wear for a long period of time and do different tasks like work and stuff like that that is interesting, though it's just the price might be a tad um, yeah, I mean up there I can share something real quick to kind of give you a comparison of what you're getting.

Jeff:

I have one other one I can show real quick to compare them at eye tracking, right or something. Oh yeah, so so here's the new um crystal lenses coming out this summer, I believe, um, and this ain't cheap either, dudes no yeah, you know it's not but it's doing full 4k right um I believe. So you're probably right. So that's a data point, right? Um? But anyways, more stuff for people to do and to pick and choose from Options, right? Everybody loves options and competition.

Jason:

Right, no, this is great.

Jeff:

This is great. It's just they got to mount like a night vision camera that you go. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and it comes back down and the weights on your forehead and stuff not like your nose. You can ask Eric.

Jason:

Me and Eric. Eric and I, we would play the mini golf game in VR. Like I joined his room and we'd be playing golf.

Jeff:

And I can see Eric's.

Jason:

I can see Eric's hand going like this Because he was drinking it. But you can't see the trick, but you can see his hand going like that.

Erick:

He's like hey, you got to have a drink if you're playing golf.

Jason:

No matter what the form man. I've tried so many ways to hang out with my homie and it's finally happening. In September we were in VR playing golf. You can see Eric looking at the.

Erick:

Got to line it up, man, got to line that shot up.

Jason:

I'm like you going nine irons Amateurs. All right, yeah, all right.

Erick:

Yeah.

Jason:

All right. Well, that's a great topic, jeff. I mean, it's good to see that there's more options out there and hopefully at the expo we may be able to try these things.

Jeff:

huh, I hope that blended reality figured out by then.

Erick:

I don't know about that, man. Listen, that's a little minute off. Let's start with a vr headset over there. And the newest well, you know what jeff, what I'm? Uh, I'm with you, man, I'm gonna shoot for the moon they'll. Maybe somebody will have figured something out with the mixed reality by september. That would make.

Jeff:

Oh I'm just saying I'm just trying to get mine figured out with my quest 3 by september. That would make. Oh, I'm just saying I'm just trying to get mine figured out with my quest 3 and you know what people are using virtual desktop and you know some of the other tools oh, yeah, do it. Yeah, oh, my bad, I thought yeah, I'm just trying to figure it out with my own go to the expo and and that be a thing already at the yeah, that would be, but I'm managing my expectations when it comes to that, all right.

Erick:

Yeah to your before. Before we move on, though, jason, to your point, we need I don't even know if we need a sim like manufacturer to make a headset, but we need, like the sim hub of vr for sim racing yes like we need somebody that just kind of pulls in, pulls everything together. The capabilities are there. You know, the hardware is the same everything, everything is there for it, yeah but just you know something that ties it all together. Yeah, and that's a hard market.

Jason:

That's a hard market to sell to people, because most of us are invested already into monitors and monitors are becoming cheaper and cheaper and they're coming affordable like yeah, easily sim racing is a small niche, and then vr in sim racing is even more another, yeah, yeah, yeah like a stack on top of the other. Yeah, but it's that time. What time is it?

Jeff:

well, wait a minute. We have a little bit of a modification this week. It's that time what time, is it?

Jason:

Well, wait a minute. We have a little bit of a modification this week. It's kind of a special that I can't wait to hear, because track of the week is every week, every week. However, today, jeff has something special for us, so I will hand this over to him so we can get underway, jeff, what we got this week man, all right dudes.

Jeff:

So this track of the week is dedicated. There's a lot of people you know when evo is coming out. There's a lot of people like, oh, this is going to be the best because there's open maps and open worlds that you just get to drive around in. Uh, there's a lot of people that love the um, like the no hezi servers. Uh, on content manager, right. So I figured we would do a track of the week dedicated to them. So, without a do, I think that's the same the way it goes. My track of the week is we're going to do standby, standby the cannonball, the cannonball. We're going to do stand by, stand by the cannonball, the cannonball. Those that don't know what the cannonball is, that's a 43-hour drive man.

Jeff:

Hell yeah. So I brought this map up. It starts at and I'm going to show some pictures here. It starts at the let's go back up here. You'll see it on the left there, the Red Ball Garage in Manhattan, new York. Okay, the most random street I'll tell you yeah, so I'll get into why it starts there. Oh, it does. That's part of the race. And it ends in the Portofino hotel in California. I don't know why it ends there, but I do know why it starts here, so I'm going to give a little story.

Jason:

I'm excited for this one. What's up? This is?

Jeff:

kind of the the, the story of how uh, drivers. So, first of all, please, you're going to we're about to see some times in real world driving from New York to California. Please, we have to say that you know we do not condone speed racing. Please drive the speed limit, all that other stuff. But now that we've said that, let's get into the times where it gets into across the country.

Jason:

So we're not responsible.

Erick:

Don't try this at home Real life no hissy server.

Jeff:

This is exactly what this is. So, all right, ready. This dude small picture in 1903, the first coast to coast, the first cross-country drive from san francisco to new york he went backwards was completed in 1903 by george adams wayne on a 1904 california motor company motorbike. Uh, or, excuse me, uh, anyways, covered 3,800 miles and it took him, gentlemen, 51 days, sheesh he had a 10 gallon fuel tank or 5 gallon yeah, I got the picture here.

Jeff:

So imagine being on that thing for 51 days, damn bro. So a name by Edward George Baker. He was trying to have kids. He was trying to have kids huh yeah.

Jason:

Those days are long gone, bro. So a name by Edward George Baker Trying to have kids. Man, what's that? He's trying to have kids. He's trying to have kids, huh yeah those days are long gone, bro.

Erick:

He left those in California.

Jeff:

So a man named Edwin George Baker, who everyone knew as Cannonball Baker It'd be interesting how he came up with the name Cannonball, but that's probably for a different podcast uh, set the coast to coast record for driving a car across the country from new york to la in 1933. Baker spent the majority of his career prepping for it by riding transcontinentally on a motorcycle at the time, and the roads he drove were entirely unpaved. So this is him, and then here's the car oh man, how did the tires make it?

Jeff:

Dude right, he drove it in 11 and a half days. That's pretty impressive, with unpaved roads, yeah. So in 1993, baker attempted his last coast-to-coast drive across the United States, completing the trip in 53 hours and 13 minutes. To understand how impressive this time was, remember 19 years earlier it took him 12 days to do the same thing. Wow, unlike his previous record, this one he didn't have an official timekeeper, so it's an unofficial record. All right, gentlemen, here's where it gets interesting. So we're going to move to this one. Oh so, we're going to move forward a little bit here. But this is where we start to get into the interesting stuff.

Jeff:

In 1971, 38 years after baker's unofficial record, brock yates made the race the cannonball a household name. He called it the cannonball baker c to shining c memorial trophy, dash yates. This is the senior editor for car and driver magazine at the time. Brock Yates, steve Smith and Jim Williams set out from New York City in a 1971 Dodge Custom Sportsman van known as the Moon Trash 2. The Moon Trash, the Moon Trash. All right, I'm going to read a little bit here, a little bit of history. The unsanctioned street race was held in 71, 72, 75, and 79. It began in New York City and in Darin, connecticut, once, and ended at the Portofino Inn at Rendono Beach, california, in the perplexing spirit of cannonball. This race was both famed as a celebration of the US highway systems and, my favorite part, a protest against strict traffic laws, specifically the 55-mile-an-hour speed limit enforced on major highways, especially in California.

Jeff:

Bro, these guys were like, yeah, middle finger, and did their own thing. So the rules were that you made your own rules. In March of 71, Car and Driver featured an article. Yates said that the parameters of the Arcana Ball were as follows All competitors will drive any vehicle of their choosing over any route at any speed they judge practical. Between the starting point and the destination the competitor is finished when the lowest time elapsed is the winner. So they used to do it in all one go and you could take any route. On November 15, 1971, these two gentlemen drove a Kurt F White Ferrari Daytona Coupe to the finish in 35 hours and 45 minutes, notably only 53 minutes faster than the second-place team. That's wild huh. They only beat the second-place team by less than an hour. Half of the teams that started got speeding tickets.

Jason:

That was my next question. They're not following traffic rules, are they? Oh no.

Erick:

They're wide open.

Jason:

I mean look they got Porsches, you know.

Erick:

Yeah, they ain't going 55 in those.

Jeff:

So you guys seeing the pictures as I'm changing them here, yep, all right.

Jeff:

so picture seven or uh we're looking at the porsches, yeah, so the reason that they chose the red bull or, uh, the red ball garage is because that's where car and driver kept all their cars that they were doing articles on and tests on. So that's kind of a cool story. They just kept them all there and like, oh, we're going to start somewhere, might as well start at our garage. So in 1975, jack May and Rick Carley drove the Daytona, the Ferrari Dino, in 35 hours, 53 minutes, at an average speed of 81 miles an hour. So think about that.

Jeff:

It's one thing to drive 81 miles an hour for 35 hours, but think about it when you stop and get gas for 10 minutes and you're at zero, yeah, you know to still claim 81 miles an hour. So here's a cool story for yates vehicle on this run was uh, one of the other dudes drove a dodge ambulance with a magnum 440 engine. An An ambulance.

Erick:

Because they were like.

Jeff:

Paul, if I'm driving an ambulance, I'm never going to get pulled over. Within moments of his departure, the ambulance broke down and needed repairs that took less than an hour. Needless to say, he completed the race, but it was nowhere beating the record. And while Yates used the disguise of an ambulance, another team simply put a cooler inside their jaguar xjs. When pulled over for speeding, they said we're rushing to save a child's site officer. They were both physicians, but the context of the cooler was a pig's eye.

Jeff:

This is this is what's going on bro that's hilarious man, so in 1997, the official times had to stop because eventually they realized that somebody was going to get killed and like, car and driver couldn't be associated, um, couldn't be associated. But but at the time, dude, like, check out the vibes at the starting of these things, oh yeah, I mean that that just screams, like you know, the early 70s uh late 70s, early 80s right oh, yeah, now what?

Erick:

you gonna do this weekend. I'm about to drive 100 miles an hour across the country, baby till.

Jason:

I hit empty keep going okay.

Jeff:

So this is where we start to get back.

Jason:

Then you didn't have tolls right back. I'm assuming there was no toll road back then yeah, dude it must have been wide open, especially cut into the country yeah so I'm gonna kind of dig into a little bit out here, but um, all right

Jeff:

so we are on, uh, 1980s, uh in, what would become the final? So eventually they stopped naming it the cannonball and called it the us express. Basically same thing, just different name. Doug toner and david dm beat the cannonball record they still use the same records taking the win in 32 hours and seven minutes, and that record stood for 20 years, damn man. So here's. This is why I brought this one up.

Jeff:

This dude, turner and dm were the first people to use a plane as a scouting tool during the drive. Because of that, their attempt was met with some scrutiny as people leave the plane. Was the use of cheating? Yeah, definitely they had a. So they had a plane. They had a plane that would fly ahead of them and be like yep, no, cops, just hammer down, keep going. And they just did that as. But the plane, like a little plane, can't just keep going right, so it involves some logistics to keep doing that. Yeah, in 1983, the us express ran into a roadblock, literally and figuratively, a riddle, literal police roadblock where the cannibal movie was released. In 1981, the police were suddenly very aware of the underground racing scene. Oh, it got out. Yep, so as things, all good things.

Jason:

Potentially come to an end.

Jeff:

So after that they started coming up with some different classes the Transcontinental Motorized Vehicular Tournament of Efficiency and Endurance. This one's cool, it's called the 1904. It's the unofficial race that goes from you guessed it New York City to California. The catch you have to, what you have to do to drive in the class of vehicle, is that it costs no more than two thousand nine hundred and four dollars. If you didn't know, it's two thousand nine hundred and four miles. That's where they come up with the two thousand.

Jeff:

All right so that includes the vehicle, fuel, food and tolls and repairs and if you get any tickets, you have to stay under that to be considered.

Jeff:

Uh, you know eligible yeah, so there's a picture of um, uh, so if those that follow vin wiki on youtube, he is a super big into this, he has some unbelievable stories. This is him getting ready to go, uh, as the blues brothers or something like that. Um, but anyways, uh, follow him if you want some more stories on this. So here's 11. So this is where, like, technology starts to get involved. With the end of the U S express, the cannibal run became an individual endeavor, with the single teams making the run to try to break the overall record. So they went like randomly throughout the time and while many attempts have gone unpublicized over the years, the teams that have broken the record have mostly been extremely vocal about it after the statue of limitations is up in 2006, alex roy david ma beat the cannonball record run with a time of 31 hours and four minutes in a bmw n5.

Jeff:

They didn't release their uh the story for a year later in their uh uh the book the driver in 2007.

Jason:

What that's modern times man. Right so in 2013,.

Jeff:

David Bolian, who I spoke, talked to about earlier. David Black and Dan Hangen drove a 2004 Mercedes CL 55 AMG across the country and here this is killer Nice 28 minutes, 50 minutes. What An astonishing feat to break the 30 hour mark 28 hours, not 28 minutes.

Jason:

I'm sorry. Yeah, 28 hours, 50 minutes. What An astonishing feat to break the 30-hour mark 28 hours, not 28 minutes, I'm sorry.

Jeff:

Yeah, 28 hours, 50 minutes. I'm sorry. I don't even know, if a fighter jet could do that, breaking the silence.

Erick:

I was about to say Is that your formula?

Jeff:

Yeah, he chose the car because of its understated looks, making it more likely to go unnoticed. That's exactly what Cannonball has wanted. He averaged 98 miles an hour the car had 67 gallons of fuel. 67 gallons of fuel, yeah, dude, because if you're stopped at the gas station, that's a zero for speed.

Jason:

And you're not moving at all. That's the whole backseat, the trunk.

Erick:

Yeah, sam think about that.

Jeff:

That makes sense, rob nonstop like yeah, ah, think about that. That makes sense. Rob non-stop. Yeah, so they had a total of uh, they were only stopped for 46 minutes the whole trip. He has a really cool story if you listen to his youtube channel about how he made it from he he fueled up at one station with his credit card, got so far so fast, swiped his credit card and it got declined because the bank was like there's no way you can get from here to here so it's got to be fraud.

Jeff:

And he's like no, no, authorize it, authorize it.

Erick:

He's trying to go that's hilarious.

Jeff:

So, um, okay, uh, I'm on. Uh, so 12 um, I'm a little bit behind on pictures here, but we'll keep going. It wasn't long, uh, so then they kept going. It's down to 27 hours and 25 minutes. So here's where it gets a little bit interesting. Uh, it, it kind of sucks. Like most things with COVID ruined everything. So during the COVID-19 pandemic, cannonball error uh, many people were hunkering down during the stay-at-home pandemic that hit the world really in March of 2020. But others took the road. Because, why? Because everybody's at home and nobody's on the road. The biggest problem is traffic. If you read about these guys, they hit traffic and that really hammered kills them. But the dudes that were passionate about the cannonball were like there's nobody on the road, I could just hammer down dudes. They went from almost 30 hours and in the COVID era, the current top time that was done allegedly during COVID was 25 hours 39 minutes Damn.

Jeff:

That's just over a day they drove a 2016 Audi S6 disguised as a Ford Taurus police interceptor, to a record of 25 hours Averaged 110 miles an hour for the whole thing.

Jason:

There we go.

Jeff:

They reached the top speed of 175 miles an hour and had over 30 spotters. Damn Jeez the car had 600 horsepower, upgraded heat exchangers, custom tune trunk mounted mounted, extra 45 gallon fuel tank additional to the 22 that it had you know stock bro, you need an oil change right when you get to california, like right away.

Jeff:

Oh yeah, oh dude, look at their car they had they had a host of police evasion of evasive modifications installed to the car, including radar detectors, laser diffusers, cb radio, brake light kill switch and, to top it off, a roof mounted thermal camera to spot wildlife at night and please what's going?

Erick:

on but, they're serious man. They thought everything that's insane so hey, I'm with it.

Jeff:

That is your today's track of the week. California or New York city, manhattan to California, the coast, 28 minutes or 28 hours.

Jeff:

It's not a movie about this man Cannonball run baby came out in the eighties, so there's a couple of documentaries. It's called apex, apex two. I think I haven't watched it, but a reading about it I'll do it. I'm going to probably give it a watch, but, uh, dude, so normally takes you 43 hours per google maps that I ran this morning and these dudes are doing it in 25 hours averaging 110 miles an hour. So, like, if you stop for one minute and get zero, what does it do to at that speed? You know so, anyways, it's crazy next time you're on no hezi.

Jeff:

Think about you like you're going across the country on a cannonball run dude, I'm shocked by this.

Jason:

I've never heard of this.

Jeff:

That's a you've never heard of it dude, check out vin wiki, ed bolean cannonball stories. They are world class. Listen them to while you're going to uh to work or something, or in the car after you're list done. Listen to the chicane podcast for there you go um, they're, they're they're good stories. Listen to us first.

Jason:

Dude like charisma, but he's it's a killer channel yeah, we'll leave all the links to this amazing story is crazy. And to think that it's still going on, man, you know you would think a lot of people got away with stuff in the 70s and the 80s. Of course that's when things were fun and then they took the fun away, yeah.

Jeff:

So I mean, but people are doing it, you know, they take pictures of their GPS device and a picture of the garage in the background, and same thing when you get back, same device, and that's kind of how they do it. But kind of how they do it, but uh, and then they sit on it for a year.

Jason:

Yeah, to let it, to let it cool down. You know low, keep it low key. So yeah, that's kind of cool. Anyways, that's a little bit different track of the week.

Jason:

Uh no, that's great. That's great. That's that. That was today's special. I was excited because jeff was on the phone. He's like he's. I got an idea and I was like man, what is it? Then he started telling me bits and pieces of it and I was was like don't tell me no more, because the story is way too good. We need to share this out. We're not condoning this type of behavior. Okay, like Jeff said, we are not supporting it, but you know it's an interesting story. How about that?

Jeff:

And there's still an active community that does this.

Jason:

Maybe we have one of the listeners, but anyways, yeah, super cool they won't tell us maybe until a year out, so we'll let you know in about a year's time. All right, gentlemen, so we have reached the end of our show. If you may, I will like to do a shout out here. We got some emails in and I don't specifically know the order, so I'm gonna let you guys. I'm gonna start with eric. I think there was one addressed to you specifically, so I'll let you take that one please yes, sir.

Erick:

So this email the title of it is says for eric, uh, seven magic 3d printed and short and sweet. But I appreciate it. I'm gonna put my uh, my sweatshop, to work with this as soon as we get done. But uh, it's from harry m and he says hello, jason, jeff, eric. I'm not sure if you guys have a discord, but in a recent episode Eric showed his quick disconnect wheel stand. Would you be able to pass this version along to Eric, as it is much easier to remove as you can just lift it on and off? I replied to this make with pictures of the GT, neo and round wheel and I'm going to pull this up and show a picture of it because if you guys ever seen mine, try to grab it without knocking everything off.

Jason:

Good, I see man.

Erick:

Yeah, so this is mine. I've got my little round wheel here some magic and it has the little quick connect hub. It's got the little spots for the ball bearings in it, but you actually have to actuate the quick connect to get it on and off, which it's your will. You like that security? Just real quick. What Harry M's? Just real quick. Um, what uh harry m's design is which I'm gonna print immediately? Uh, it's this guy right here.

Erick:

So if more, filament, there it is hey look, more filament, but the fact that it just drops in you slide it in. Yeah, I'm like, oh, that's yeah, there you go, you and these ads. Man, listen, this is thingiverse, this ain't me you know what?

Jeff:

you ain't got that on the bamboo.

Erick:

Send feedback all right but yeah, but uh, huge shout out to harry m appreciate the appreciate you listening and taking the time to send the emails and appreciate you, you know, helping support our 3D printing habit.

Jason:

Yeah, definitely so, jeff. Which one would you like to go over? Man, I got two more, which is kind of cool when they come in threes, right?

Jeff:

All right, dudes, I'll take the next one from Skeets, so anyway. So today, after watching your podcast thanks for the watch there, buddy my FSR2 wheel arrived. That's a sharp wheel, man. That's a good looking wheel. Oh yeah, my start was the Mazda R5 with the wheel at Sugo. I could not go under. I'm assuming that's 130. When I installed the wheel, my times dropped to a crazy 126.6.

Jason:

All right, my man.

Jeff:

Was that a solid three and a half seconds with?

Jason:

just the wheel. I'm telling you, man, you look good, you play good.

Jeff:

The same thing applies in golf. Exactly, I love that I feel like I'm part of the real community.

Jason:

Hell yeah, you are Welcome Welcome.

Jeff:

And I hear you do when you get a new, that wheel, and it's one that you've been looking at and you're like you just get it and it just speaks to you Especially the one like I think yours, has got the monitor on and everything the screen on it.

Jason:

Yeah, no-transcript. And even so, man, you should join us at the Sim Racing Expo. We have a 10% off if you would like to come and hang out and feel even bigger part of it, even bigger. So we'll, we'll get to meet you in person and and and welcome you personally to the sim racing community. It's, it's here and it's here for everybody. So that that one touches my heart. You know, good on you and you're improving your lap times. That makes the purchase a thousand percent worth it justifiable now, justified right now exactly yep, but you started with.

Erick:

They gave it to me, and now, I need it so all right.

Jason:

So I'll take the final email. And again, I really love this is my favorite part of the show is reading the fan mail. This is my favorite part of the show. We have a third email come in this week. I'm going to butcher this. Conaseg the car fan.

Erick:

Oh yeah Conaseg. Oh yeah Conig, Seg yeah Conig.

Jason:

Seg yeah Conig.

Jeff:

Seg Wicked expensive ones.

Jason:

A nice, beautiful car that I can't afford. Um hello, jason, jeff and Eric. I have been watching you guys since last September, when you guys started to dive into some iRacing episodes. Really been enjoying tuning in each week throughout my day. Thank you so much. I used to play a lot of Forza with my dad when I was around 10 years old and then, when I became 13, got myself a Fanatec setup and a basic PC so I could play a set of Corsa chasing a more realistic feel Right. Right. So far, so good. After about 4,000 hours, how did you get?

Erick:

That escalated quickly. He said he's 13.

Jason:

He said he's 13. Okay, so about 4,000 hours On a set of Corsa. I sold my simulator a couple of years back. Now I'm building a new one with triple monitors and SimMagic. You know, Eric, that's going to my simulator a couple years back now, building a new one with triple monitors and sim magic.

Jason:

You know eric, that's gonna speak to eric, right there, yes, uh, as he pens his sim magic wheel. Um, currently planned out most of my pc and figured I would rock a 7800 x3d with a 7800 XT, assuming all AMD. Right, that's both AMD, which is a great build a great build, by the way, gpu but have no idea what to look for with a motherboard, since I plan on having a lot of USBs and want to make sure I have some headroom and not buying the bare minimum. Money is limited, as I'm 19, working as a mechanic and I have a GR86, which I will share, this beautiful GR86 that he was kind enough to share with us. Oh yeah, it's clean and I'll put that on this. It's very clean, very nice vehicle.

Erick:

A nice backdrop too.

Jason:

I like the backdrop man.

Erick:

Nice picture, buddy. Yeah, that's what I was going to say, man. The photography skills are there, man.

Jeff:

I mean that looks like it's like AI faked. It's that good. Yeah man yeah so he has a nice spec car and stuff like the wheels.

Jason:

Very nice, super clean. Yeah, I like the trees. I'm trying to guess where this is at, but he says I like to take to real events and modify. Hopefully you guys can give me some good insight on PC building and how to set up multiple monitors to work together. Apologize if I said a lot no need for apologies but I really appreciate what you guys do. But I really appreciate what you guys do. I really appreciate what you guys do and you guys do a good job at it and I hope the podcast is able to continue to grow and receive the love it deserves. Thank you so much, thanks for the kind words.

Erick:

Yeah, appreciate that.

Jason:

Super kind man that's touching bro Telling you I don't want to get all emotional on the show especially during the closing time.

Jason:

You know? Also, jason, looks like we've heard some bragging about the stream. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, dtr. Yeah, DTR joined my stream. So that's who you are. Okay, okay, all right, so you know what You're in luck, man, because just a few episodes back we covered on pc building, um, and all the options out there. But just to answer this one quickly, to give you the personalized answer, with motherboards, I recommend msi. Any um, any msi board or any ROG is a good one.

Jason:

I have an MSI you have an MSI, it doesn't really matter too much, as long as it's a reputable brand. I know Eric's running a Gigabyte and that's a reputable brand. They've been making motherboards before you were born. I promise you that.

Erick:

Yeah, that's the truth.

Jason:

That is the truth.

Erick:

It's crazy.

Jason:

So don't pay attention to how many USBs it has. I want you to pay attention to how much bandwidth the motherboard has, because if a motherboard has 20 USB slots which I've never seen before, I'm just exaggerating and they're all 2.0 slots, that's useless to me. I want to see something. You already have a AM5 chip, so all the motherboards that are being designed for that 7800X3D chip is going to have the high bandwidth. So I would suggest things that have 3.1 USBs. So that way, if you want to get into streaming and you buy an Elgato camera, elgato is going to want you to use a 3.0 USB and even if you plug into a hub let's say you have a 2.0 slot and then you have a 3.0 hub you're downgrading that hub to a 2.0. You know what I'm trying to say. So just pay attention to the bandwidth, not the amount of USBs, because we can always expand the USBs, no problem, by purchasing the, and it doesn't matter how many USBs your motherboard has. You're going to need to buy an extension at some point. I can promise you that there's never enough.

Jason:

So that's my take, quick take. Feel free to message me, email the group, the show or comment below. Let us know what you ended up with, or if you're stuck between choosing one, you can hit us up and we'll give you some. We'll walk you through on the path that I suggest you take, because I don't want to again. I'm not trying to be incognizant of the price and motherboards thank God motherboards are relatively inexpensive. There's some flashy flashy things going on with the LEDss and all this stuff, but you don't need that. But we, we care more about the performance than performance overlooks all day, every day. So that's my take for today, guys. Um, thank you so much, um conestig fan, for joining my stream and for hitting us up on the show. I really appreciate you and I appreciate all the messages we've had so far up up to this point. Today is the 50th episode of the chicane podcast and it's looking very bright for us. Um, so far. I'm really happy to do the show every week and it's just a great feeling.

Jeff:

Yo, we got 52 episodes. It's wild to think where we came from. Yeah.

Jason:

Which we'll get into, I'm sure, on that episode, yeah, we'll have a little special, hopefully. So with that guys, I guess this is our. What do you call this? I'm ready to close the show. This is the end here. I can't. I don't have the words in my head. It's like gone. What do I say? The round table? There it is the round table, any round tables, anything. We forgot Jeff Eric.

Jeff:

Drive fast, break late. Boom. Didn't need to be right-minded today.

Jason:

There it is, man, I'm on the spot today. That's the standard man. That should come naturally.

Erick:

Oh yeah.

Jason:

And to all you viewers and listeners out there, have a great start of your week, thank you.

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