The Chicane Podcast

Troubles and Tribulations with Sim Racing!

• Track Ghost Sim Racing • Episode 27

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What if upgrading your sim racing setup could feel like moving from a cramped apartment to a sprawling house? Join us on the Chicane Podcast as Eric shares his exhilarating journey from console to PC, showcasing his cutting-edge setup featuring an AMD 7800X processor, 32GB of DDR5 RAM, and a Gigabyte Aorus 4070 graphics card. You'll discover how enhanced connectivity and sim hub telemetry can transform your racing experience and why Eric believes this leap opens up a world of possibilities. Jeff and I also dive into the addictive nature of fine-tuning sim racing gear, offering practical tips on optimizing your setup for maximum performance.

Ever wondered about the magic behind the Stream Deck and its role in your racing setup? We pull back the curtain on how this dynamic button box functions as an essential backup, especially when faced with unexpected glitches during a race. With Windows updates known to throw a wrench into the works, having reliable alternatives is key. Jeff weighs in with his thoughts on Stream Deck sizes, and I share my personal experience of using these devices to automate tasks and ensure smooth races. From scripting automation to the thrills of gear enhancement, the conversation is packed with insights for both seasoned racers and newcomers.

Prepare for a wild ride through the sim racing community's challenges and innovations, from multi-screen setups to the latest SimMagic and Moza wheel sneak peeks. We delve into the technical hurdles faced by enthusiasts, such as compatibility issues and advanced pedal technology, sharing our personal anecdotes and listener interactions along the way. The episode wraps up with a reflection on the vibrant, passionate community that makes sim racing such an exciting pursuit. Whether you're navigating performance struggles or eyeing the next big gear upgrade, there's something here to fuel your racing passion.

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Jason:

The Hello and welcome to the Chicane Podcast, where we discuss all things in the sim racing world. I'm your host, jason Rivera, and I'm joined here by Eric Kelly and Jeff Smart. How are you guys doing today?

Erick:

Doing good. Happy to be back, man.

Jeff:

Good seeing you guys. Good seeing you guys. I'm ready to get into this banger of an episode today.

Jason:

Welcome back gentlemen, welcome back especially the tech gentleman, which there's something new with tech gentleman's background which is kind of going against his own words, man. I mean, let's hear it, eric, real quick. What you got back there, I'm pretty sure we'll cover it it's like the dark side back there.

Erick:

Yeah, it's not going against my words, it's actually what I've been saying the whole time.

Jason:

You guys can go back and listen.

Erick:

Yeah, listen, I've been saying the PC is coming, but until I got on it, I had to, I had to stand on business with what I had, which was the playstation. You know, I did that and the playstation is back there. Man, I know it's back there still it's hidden from you hey, are the leg?

Jeff:

are the legs tired? Your legs tired there from jumping on the bandwagon.

Erick:

I may or may not have seen a sunrise on the rig since doing this PC.

Jeff:

Okay.

Erick:

All right.

Jason:

There's room on the bandwagon for everybody else out there. Yeah, so break it down for us, man, real quick. I mean, I know the announcement portion, I just can't wait. I just see something nice in the the background, something proper in the background, yeah so I appreciate it.

Erick:

Um so, just kind of going over the specs for the people that care or in that world. Um, I went with jason's advice. I made sure that I had an am5 socket motherboard kind of future-proof for myself. I went with an AMD 7800X processor, 32 gigs of DDR5 RAM at 6,000 megahertz.

Erick:

I have this beautiful AIO. If you don't know what AIO is, it is a kind of off-the-shelf water cooler unit for your processor. So instead of having a big fan on it, it has this water cooled radiator looking deal that goes from. It has leds, looks nice. But mine actually has a display on the front. It's from, uh, from asus, their rog line.

Jason:

That's dope um republic of gamers Republic of Gamers man ROG.

Erick:

Yeah, man, the case is Asus as well, not ROG, but it's their TUF line, their TUF line as well. The motherboard is Gigabyte, the graphics card is a Gigabyte. Aeros 4070 All white.

Jason:

So you went with Gigabyte For the board. Huh.

Erick:

Yeah.

Jason:

I went with.

Erick:

Gigabyte for the board. It was one of the new X870 boards, Not the E but the regular X870, which is kind of the. It's kind of like mid-range for the X870 boards, Nothing extreme. But something else that you told me to do was make sure I have plenty of onboard USB ports.

Jason:

So it does have 10 USB-A ports and two USB Type type c ports, the usb 4.0 ports okay, and I mean, and that that's good too, because, uh, you know, usb 4 is good for um data transfer and vr. So if you like vr, you can plug something in there and you have plenty of ports to share. But yeah, sounds clean man. So what about the storage?

Jeff:

man.

Erick:

Sexy looking machine back there. Yeah, I appreciate it, man. So storage I'm still. I had to save some money somewhere. So I do have a 500 gig NVMe, just Samsung 980 drive there for my main. No, actually I'm using that for game storage right now that I just had sitting around the house. And then I have an ancient, this two and a half uh ssd that I'm using for my os 256, so kind of you know the storage I can always grab more of. The motherboard has four uh m.2 slots on it, so okay you know I got room to expand and all that stuff.

Erick:

But yeah, it's, it's ready to go, ready for the future. I'm excited. That's what's up.

Jeff:

I'm ready to drive man actually, let's just ask the question here have you hooked up all your gear to it yet, or are you still running off the PS5?

Erick:

Tell the people what they want to hear. So I'm going to do an analogy. You ever live in an apartment and then move to a house yeah, and realize you didn't really have a lot of stuff when you were in the apartment.

Jason:

That's kind of where I'm at right now.

Erick:

I maxed out the PS5. I had everything you could hook up to a PS5. And all that takes is one USB cable, which is like two ports.

Jeff:

Well, you can put a dongle on there, or?

Jason:

whatever.

Erick:

One of the best analogies I've heard in a long time. Yeah, so there's just not a lot you can attach to a PS5. I can't do a button box, I can't do you know when, and all this stuff. You just have to have a PC in the mix already to do a lot of that stuff. What you can only if you're playing GT seven. Which how much are you going to invest in that, just for GT seven? But now that I want a PC, I'm ready to to load it up.

Jeff:

Like I said, it up um.

Erick:

Like I said, I have my haptics going proper and I don't. And the beautiful thing about the haptics they're going directly into the pc. So it doesn't matter if I'm playing gt7 or if I'm on the um playing on the pc, the haptics just pick up, thanks to the beauty of sim hub. Right, sim hub picks up telemetry from gt7 wirelessly. So if I just fire the game up it's like okay, you're playing gt7, I'm gonna do haptic stuff. You're playing a set of corsa on the pc, I'm gonna do haptic stuff, you're playing whatever. You know it.

Jason:

Just I don't have to move that quarter around, just have to plug in my base either to the um, the adapter for the sim magic stuff for ps5, or I just plug it into the, the pc, you know I told him that that's very feasible right now, but when you start adding all kinds of stuff to that pc, it's gonna be you might want to label what your, what your wheel is and what your pedals are, because it's gonna to get out of control very fast so that's a question that I have right so well.

Erick:

One question is there a benefit to plugging your pedals directly into your pc versus plugging them into your wheelbase?

Jason:

well, there really isn't a difference. That's's a good question, because if you're using everything proprietary, then you have the benefit of what you call having everything all in one place. Now, the only reason that I was kind of against it was because of Fanatec. Fanatec, you could have everything plugged into the wheel. It was using rj5 um plugs into the wheelbase. It wasn't using, it wasn't using regular usb and, for example, if you had a software update on your pedals, you wouldn't know um, because they weren't connected that way. So the computer wasn't really seeing them as a device, it was just seeing the wheelbase as a whole.

Jason:

And then there's there was some issues with firmware. So if the firmware is like bonked for whatever reason, then the pedals wouldn't work. At least separating the hardware gives you a little more chance. And you and and I spoke and I actually exported my profile from SimHub Control Mapper and that's another method of a backup. Like, for example, if you're in a three-hour race, like me just a month ago, and your wheel shifters just start to glitch out on you for whatever reason, then you have other inputs to keep you going instead of just oh, my race is ruined. I know that breaks immersion and it breaks realism, but it's just a fact. We have Windows-based computers. Every time they update, something breaks. I don't know why they can't figure that out.

Jeff:

Bro, you don't have to tell me this week.

Jason:

And I know and I'm a firm believer in keeping your stuff up to date, but at the same time, you run the risk of something else breaking or things improve or things worsen and, honestly, the change logs are so huge for Windows updates they might not even have anything to do with whatever you're using, right? Whatever games you're playing, it's probably fixing something totally different, but then it's kind of interfering with some other stuff that you're trying to run. So I don't know there's a happy medium with this. You know what I mean. I trying to run, so I don't know there's a happy medium with this. You know what I mean. I wouldn't install any preview update. I would install stable updates only, right, yeah, so, yeah, well, congratulations. I mean this is exciting. This is good. This is. It opens up your options Now you don't have to worry about. Is compatible, is it going to work? Can I use all the buttons? Because you had told me yourself, like I, I didn't. I didn't think I can use these buttons. You remember you told me on your wheel.

Jason:

So I mean it's kind of nice to use the whole thing as it was meant to be used, right yeah, eric, you have opened the proverbial pandora's box with this.

Jeff:

He doesn't know it yet brother, don't go looking around Etsy at night for button boxes. You're in trouble, my man, you're in trouble.

Erick:

Yeah, look, I've been. It's been getting bad already.

Jason:

Repeat after me. I was going to ask you guys about they gave it to me.

Erick:

Yeah, I got to make sure I practice that for my wife. They gave it to me.

Jeff:

I'm going to blame you guys.

Jason:

I blame Jason.

Jeff:

Works for me.

Jason:

I already told him that he needs a Steam Deck, like today, like now, because if not, you're on this keyboard that.

Erick:

So that was my next question, right, because I've seen a guy using the stream deck as a button box. Oh yeah, yeah, and I wanted to get y'all people easy on that okay, yeah, my okay.

Jason:

Well, I'm gonna give an example of what my setup is. So when my computer's on the desktop, there's a mode for I have it as a launcher and I have every single application that I need as ready to launch. But then I have it set to. If I hit the iRacing button and iRacing loads up, it'll load up another profile. That is the button box, and it's tailored to iRacing so it changes dynamically.

Jason:

I know there's a lot of people that love this precision. I forget what you call it the PSP, the new box that has the Danny Newman lights on it, but that's just a straight button box with stickers on it. And but it's, that's just a straight button box with stickers on it. The stream deck is mini lcd boxes. Um, that change dynamically with whatever you're doing. So, for example, I programmed the button because I'm having issues with sim hub. Uh, when I'm waking my computer from sleep, it acts weird with sim hub. So what I did was I programmed the button that when I press this button it shuts down sim hub and then it puts my computer to sleep. And then when I boot the computer up, I made a script that when the computer starts up, when it wakes up from sleep, it'll automatically launch sim hub. So it's kind of like oh, that's pretty rad, I might have to steal that little script you have.

Jason:

Yeah, man, I can export the profiles and you guys can use them and manipulate them and do whatever you want.

Jeff:

It took me forever to figure out how to do the code for sleep, because it's so nice, I just do a multi-action and then just tell it to hit the window button.

Jason:

Wait a millisecond, press up.

Jeff:

Wait a millisecond and it's emulating a keyboard.

Jason:

Yeah, and you see it emulating a keyboard Dude.

Jeff:

Mine's like a line of code. I forget what it is as well. Anyways, Eric Stream Deck awesome Okay. Yeah, we could go down this for the whole episode here Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Jason:

What did you? Wait a minute? What did you say?

Erick:

you got one on order, or something no, no, I got an xl in my in my cart on amazon, so oh the x, okay all right, we ain't messing around because, the xl use it as a button box. Um, I mean, even with control mapper I was like there's so many options, there's so much you can do with just a few buttons, but if I'm gonna get one, I hate to get to a point where it's like, uh, I'm down this rabbit hole and I see a use for even more buttons, because thinking about streaming, thinking about just using other stuff.

Erick:

I I feel like more buttons the better.

Jason:

Yes, and my opinion, because my say is not perfect, just letting you guys know. But the Excel is a massive piece of equipment. It's like 32 buttons. So just think about that, eric, because with a 16-1, you can have pages and folders within folders, within folders.

Jeff:

It's not like you have.

Jason:

And it mounts nice into the rig too, it's easier to put in a corner and not get in the way of a shifter you want to put, or just something to consider. Dude, because that I almost fell for the same thing like I'm gonna get the biggest freaking button box and just have an array of buttons. Now you're driving a car and you're trying to find the button that you you eyes got a process, 32 something buttons on the scr een, I don't know man just got. If you're getting it from Amazon, try it out, see how it works out for you. Maybe that works for you, but for me I have two stream decks. I have two of them, and the reason why I have two is because I have one that's dedicated for streaming and it's dedicated for different controls.

Jason:

Did I have to do that? Honestly, I could have got away with one stream deck. To be honest with you, I didn't need to do that. I just at the time, the way I was outfitting the rig and Jeff can tell you is I had a stream deck here and a stream deck here, but that's changed because I went for, uh, like a console type of deal with, you know, with the immersion of a passenger seat. So I have them lined up and you know, I was already past my return period, so I mean, I don't know what about you, jeff? How do you feel? Are you happy with your stream deck? Do you feel like you need more buttons? Do you feel like you need another device like? What are your thoughts on that? On that, no, I'm super happy.

Jeff:

Yeah, I'm super happy with the size one I have, um the six, I think it's the 16 button one or the 12, I forget what it is. Um, not the xl, the standard one. Um, it just mounts. Nice, there's plenty. Etsy's got tons of mounts that you can mount them to the, to the rig, kind of in any direction you really want. It just gives you a little bit more modularity. But the odd, it's endless options of what you can do with this thing At a fair price too.

Erick:

I'm glad I got the standard one.

Jeff:

Yeah, I mean I got one on Facebook Marketplace. Honestly, Eric, they're not bad.

Jason:

Facebook marketplace. Honestly, Eric, they're not bad the time of this recording. You might as well just hold out and wait for a sale, dude.

Jeff:

Like a Black Friday. You're in the season for all this stuff dropping. The man's not going to be able to wait three weeks.

Erick:

Yeah, that's why I say this in my cart. That's why I haven't gotten it, because I know Black Friday's coming up. There's a couple other things. Stay this in my cart.

Jeff:

That's why I haven't gotten it, because I know Black Friday's coming up. There's a couple other things.

Erick:

Stay strong, my man. Stay strong, sonia yeah. Eric's all about I'm ready as soon as I see their price drop. It's coming to the house, Bam yeah. Well another beautiful thing too, with Amazon. I don't know if you just order and everything. Just put that out there. I did subscribe to their warranty service. You know how normally they have. You can do a two-year, three-year. Well, they have this subscription and basically it warranties everything you buy from Amazon.

Jason:

As long as you're subscribed. So including sim racing gear? Huh, how much does that?

Erick:

cost it is $16.99 a month okay, okay and easily when you look at having to pay 24 or 32 bucks for a warranty for a single product for two years.

Jason:

I just I guess yeah, I can see that that's $16.99 a month.

Erick:

Warranties okay so you know this. Just putting that out there too is a something I noticed as I'm trying to buy stuff and also want a peace of mind as well of being able to ship this back if something breaks or whatever right, yeah, fair, fair point yeah, man.

Jason:

so my question. I have a question for Eric, and before we move on from the exciting PC build I love the white, by the way- Looks fire.

Erick:

Yeah, I appreciate it.

Jason:

Yeah, the white is fire it kind of lights up the back there. It's kind of dope. So you have a SimMagic GT Neo? Yes sir, you have a SimMagic GT Neo, yes sir. And now that you actually have a PC that's using SimHub and that's going to be your main thing now while you're racing on there are you going to get the MagLink? Because you need that to get SimHub compatibility. The wheel needs to be plugged in via USB. It can't be plugged directly in.

Erick:

We are directly in the sim magic wheel base, so that's another thing that you need to consider oh, okay, so that answers another question, because I have, like I have a um, an led profile loaded on there, that, but that was from when I actually plugged the wheel up to the computer, to my laptop, and loaded it on there through sim hub. But you answered a question because it doesn't show up the way I have it plugged up now in sim hub as it is um yeah, maybe you were using the uh port, but that's not going to.

Jason:

You're going to snap that port in half, bro, when you're racing with it. You know what I mean. You're going to need that MagLink that goes on the back, that's stable, it's like $20.

Erick:

So the MagLink? The reason why I hadn't gotten one, because they're only like 20 bucks, but is there a benefit? So right now, in my mind, I only plug my wheel directly into my PC when I need to update it, like the actual steering wheel, or when I want to load an LED profile on there. Is there a benefit to having the MagLink connected all the time while I'm racing?

Jason:

Well, yeah, because you're going to be limited to the SimPro software, simmagic software, when you're connected via wheelbase, wirelessly. If you want to use anything like Danny Newman profiles or if you want to make your own, like Jeff made his own on his wheel, you're going to. There's options in SimPro. Or if you want to make your own, like Jeff made his own on his wheel, there's options in Sim Pro. But then there's way more in Sim Hub. So I mean, yes, I would recommend that, man.

Erick:

And any other wheel you buy is going to have to go through USB anyway. And that's what I thought. That was kind of the reason why I hadn't gotten it, because I'm like I only have some Magic wheels and when I get something else I get a SimHub. But if there's a benefit to having it, even with some Magic products, then yeah, yep, if you want SimHub, it needs to be.

Jason:

Yeah, usb, all right, man, congratulations again. I'm happy, excited for you home for you.

Jeff:

Man can't wait to hear your journey every week up, give us updates yeah he's already talking about iRacing bro, I'm telling you let's go.

Erick:

Yeah, iracing be good yeah, and I need to plan a trial yes, I told them that I was like dude.

Jason:

You know, and anybody listening out there. If you're new to iRacing, you might want to create a dummy profile for this trial because I think it's like you can get like three months for for like I forget if it's. I don't know if it's like a coupon or something. There's deals all the time, but the problem with that is if you commit to that three months, right?

Jason:

No, no, you're good man. If you commit to that three months trial, then at the start of your subscription you're going to be paying full price. So I paid for three years of iRacing for like 60% off, because I'm a new user, and after those three years are up, I'm going to go to the regular pricing. You know what I mean. So just something to consider anybody that's new to iRacing because if you use a dummy account, please include your middle initial, unless you want your middle initial as your permanent name, because that happened to me and I got stuck with that for a long time and I wanted just my first and last name. It's just a hack, it's a trick. You know what I mean. Just, yeah, just be cognizant of this. Um and the base content and I've told them this uh, jeff, the base content is not the best content, the. The best content is the paid content. I mean the. The base content will get you a feel, it'll get you racing, but it the stuff that you like to race, like Porsches or the Nürburgring or Spa or Mount Panorama and all these other things. It kind of. You know, you have to put a little money into it and I highly. Don't recommend putting money into a dummy account that you're never going to use because you can't transfer that stuff back. That makes sense.

Jason:

Yeah, so just a few announces from me. I got some new drift footwear from a place called hardtunecom and I learned from this. From the SimRacingsDen's Facebook group, I've been looking for some shoes to use on my new pedals, and some SimCore throttle and clutch plates are also on the way to match the aesthetics of the new active pedal that I put on there, because now I have like a I don't know, I'm OCD. I got like a, like a silver on one corner and then the just the giant black aluminum uh pedal. Any, what about you, jeff, what you got for us this week, man? Any announcements on your end?

Jeff:

Dudes, ah, it pains me to say, but I, I, your end. Dudes, it pains me to say, but I've, I've been going through a rough stretch here racing um, I, I'm, I got a b license, but I'm driving like a rookie or d class lately, dudes, like I'm struggling. I'm struggling. Like I'm struggling to keep it on the road. I'm struggling like if I'm racing d, keep it on the road. I'm struggling Like if I'm racing D class, c class, b class, whatever it is, I just we struggling.

Jason:

Did you change anything, bro? Cause that could, that could be it, yeah.

Jeff:

I mean, and honestly, like I've been traveling a bunch, um busy with home, so I haven't really been driving as much, so that's contributing, right, uh. But dudes, I and I'll be transparent here, hey, like I take the, I was bragging when I was moving up classes and I'll I'll take myself down a peg here too. But, uh, dude, I had to do a google search can you get demoted mid-season? Um, because I was safety was going down that fast. Um, not that we drive for classes, but, uh, I didn't want to lose, you know, the opportunity to race um. You know some of the cars that I had bought Um turns out. I don't think you can. It has to be end of season, um, and we're tracking the end of season. Make sure we're above the 2.0 requirement to keep my B license, um. But dudes, it's's a, the struggle is real, the struggle is real. So, uh, we're slowly, we're just.

Jeff:

It's funny, though, because I find myself driving sloppy in the d class, f4 series, and I drive much more crisp and sharper when I drive, you know the uh super formula light in the b class, um, and which is odd, right, because that is a, that is a, a fire-breathing dragon of a car, um, compared to the f4, but maybe it's because I'm paying attention more, but it's do that. I'm getting eaten up right now and it didn't help. Last night, uh, the f4 class that I raced was rain. For my first time ever, racing driving in rain was a f4 car in rain, um and bro, yeah, uh, but it was fun. It was fun. Uh, you just got to be really ginger with that, with that throttle and, uh, we, it was fun it was off the race line p, p8, landed, ended p8.

Jeff:

so you know, time in rain, that wasn't bad and on the struggle bus. But hey, I'm going to brag when, uh, when I'm bracing good, I think I do a good job of that. But I'll be transparent, right, everybody, you know, can't have the good without the bad here. So, uh, hopefully next week we'll have an update that We've hit rock bottom and we're pulling back up the hill. So that's my announcement is we're grinding a bit, okay.

Jason:

Well, yeah, you know you got to put time on track, dude. It's kind of like any other driver come back from a long time. You know you kind of lose your groove a long time. You know you kind of lose your groove, Uh, and that's why I was saying, if it's, if there's any sudden changes, um, which which is a good segue into, uh, the actual discussion portion here is the active pedal. I'm trying to update you guys on um. My experience so far.

Jason:

It's been, let's see, it's been about a week and a half since I got that thing and at first it made me slower because it's a new thing.

Jason:

Anything you change on the rig it's going to make you slower because you're trying to find the limits of it or the whatever it is, you're trying to tune it and especially with you know, all three of us have stuff going on in a day and I've been jet lagged, I've been trying, I've been fighting with the time zones and I'm just not listening, I'm not cooperating, I'm staying up late, and you know what I mean and paying for it later every day.

Jason:

So just before this recording man, I had to take a power nap and it's like midday over here, Like that doesn't happen. So the little time that I've had on the rig man, I can tell you guys now the pedal's worth it. If you're on the fence about it, if you think. I mean because the comment is always if you can afford it, then sure, buy it. It's the best pedal. But my opinion, jason's opinion on the show here, is I can't be without it, no more. It's a pedal, that's six pedals now. I'm not even kidding you guys find it funny. I'm just saying you know, for those that are, listening on like itunes and spotify that aren't watching.

Jeff:

The grin on this guy's face when he talks about this pedal is ear to ear it's cool to see the joy the joy dude. It's like you're the pride of the or the. The enjoyment that you have is like just like you're starting the sim racing all over again.

Jason:

So go ahead, buddy, keep, keep telling you, man, it's like watching a sunrise for the first time. The freaking the pedals are, imagine this. I'm just gonna put it this way because eric and I've been. We talked about this the other day and I was like I really I've watched a lot of reviews about this pedal and no one has ever put it to me the way I'm thinking and I'm going to try and do this on the show and maybe it'll kind of help you understand where I'm coming from.

Jason:

When you guys buy a pedal set and you adjust the pedal, that is a happy medium automatically. Why? Because Jeff just told me he drives F1. He drives sometimes GT3 cars and maybe some GT4 in there and maybe he'll drive a classic formula car. So that brake pedal is still the exact same on every single car. That brake pedal is still the exact same on every single car. So it's kind of like you have to adjust with muscle memory depending on the car that you're driving. So you're using this pedal and you're feathering it using muscle memory, so you're not really using the full range of the pedal. So what this pedal does is the opposite. You can set a pedal that replicates F1, that is basically pressure-based. I had to look this up and it's actually pressure-based. The pedal really doesn't move, not much at all. It's all on pressure GT pedals.

Jason:

Daniel Mori came on the show he's kind of the one that sold me on it and he told me yeah, gt3 cars usually have this kind of range of of movement on your foot and when you actually use the pedal and the car responds accordingly, you know, 90 is down here. It's not that this is 90 or this is 90. It's 90 is way down here and you can modulate that. So this pedal, unless you're driving one car, one class, then I would not recommend it. That's the only time I would say just stay with your pedal, adjust it to that car and don't move from that vehicle or class because it'll be very similar or the same. But if you're stepping into multiple sims, if you're stepping into multiple classes, if you want to get the most out of it, without even talking about the thing simulates Gs. I don know. It's crazy how it does that. I've been trying to get jeff to come over and try to pedal. He doesn't.

Jeff:

He refuses to come over I wonder why when I come over there, it's a direct correlation to my bank account go no, I think we're gonna get together and watch watch some f1 this weekend, so I'm looking forward to checking it out and he's gonna end up in the rig.

Jason:

I promise you that oh yeah, there's no denying that Formula profile on him. So yeah, so I didn't know this right, because the only thing you hear about active pedals is it does ABS and instead of just vibrating your foot, it literally pushes your foot off the pedal. And let me tell you right now the size of the power supply on this thing it's like that, it's huge. It will push your foot off that damn pedal Rob Markman.

Jeff:

The pedal is huge Rob Markman. The pedal is big too, rob Markman. Big piece of equipment. Yeah, rob Markman, yeah.

Jason:

So it feels realistic as hell. So I truck too. When I've had a few drinks in me, I pull out the truck and I just want to relax and listen to some music. I have a pedal. Yeah man, I got my hand like this. Eric, you know what I'm saying.

Erick:

With the shift knob.

Jason:

The high-low and the switching. So there you go and I, freaking, I set up a pedal that emulates, that simulates an actual air brake. Like you know, trucks use a different type of air brake. You actually have to pump those brakes. They don't work half as good as a freaking formula. Car will stop on a dime. You know what I mean, Or-.

Jeff:

Well, you are pulling like 18,000 pounds behind you.

Jason:

Exactly, and that's what I wanted. I set up a profile for trucking, so it's a new experience. Every time I get into a new vehicle it's a new experience and that's kind of where I see the value in it Because, like I said, your brake pedal is adjusted mechanically. It has its pressure, it has its angle and that's it, and nobody wants to go in there. I don't care how young you are. That shit hurts on your knees and on your depending how much stuff you got down there and where your rig is.

Jason:

It is brutal. Man is brutal on your, on your, on your, um on your leg. So it's a pleasant surprise, uh, that when you install the pedal, you plug it in and there's no wrenching at all. There's zero wrenching. Yeah, what's up?

Erick:

What's up, eric? So for clarity you can adjust the travel on it as well.

Jason:

Yes, I can adjust how much travel and how much force feedback at certain distances, so if I'm down, here, I can yeah, go ahead Sorry.

Erick:

I was going to say so you can have a pedal that is easy to engage but then has a range where it gets tight.

Jason:

Yes.

Erick:

Like all, electronically, without having to do anything with elastomers or springs, just at the click of a button load a profile. And now the first 10, 15 percent is pedal to soft how about the press of a stream deck button?

Jason:

that's all I need. So you know what I did.

Jeff:

Full circle back to stream deck so real quick most impressive.

Erick:

Oh okay, go ahead no, no, no.

Jason:

Tell me what's most impressive about it.

Erick:

You got my attention so the the the thing that because, like you were saying, with the active pedal, obviously I've looked at everything just to kind of gauge where I'm at in the world. I you know I don't necessarily have to have the latest and greatest, but I want to at least know about it. So I've known the active pedal has existed, but just the applications of it. When you mentioned using it for trucking and being able to have a truck brake and having to pump the brake, that kind of blew my mind because I'm like I can't replicate that. That's what I'm saying With my pedal. It's not possible. I can get down there all day. I can't replicate that.

Erick:

That's what I'm saying With my pedal Like it's not possible. Like wrench I can get down there all day. I don't have anything that replicates that Right, and for you to be able to do that at the press of a button, I was kind of like, oh, this thing is really next level simulation.

Jason:

It. Honestly, it is man, because when you look at any set of pedals that you buy on the market, that's not this one, that's regular elastomer or springs or whatever. It is the guide, the book tells you what kind of pedal do you want and they make the pattern for you. Right, you put them together and you can kind of line them up. But that's one time, that's a one thing. And once you set that, nobody wants to go down there and saying, hey, I'm going to do some rally racing, but wait, I need to take my cylinder out, I need to put this thing back together.

Jason:

And sometimes the convenience of a button press, the pedal literally moves on its own. It moves back and forth or it leans, or you can change the cant, you can draw out, you can make a pedal. So, for example, you ever notice a brake that doesn't have ABS, like an old car, like an old Oldsmobile, where you would slam on the brake and the tires would lock, but your foot will continue to come down all the way until it stops. You can replicate that, because I was messing with it. I don't know, yeah, that's dope.

Jason:

So that's what I'm saying. So I really haven't had time using it because I've been stuck in the customizing mode of getting the shit like exactly the right way, because Daniel Mora's profile is impressive. But then I found another profile that I liked, the way the ABS was engaging. So I kind of united both of them and then made a few changes here and there because I mean, it's all perspective, right, he's a professional driver, he knows what a brake pedal feels like, but so does this guy, and it might be slightly different, but the travel is very similar on both of them. Travel is very similar on both of them.

Jason:

So I'm here to say that this new Active Pedal Pro I'm running it at 60, no 58, 60, and it goes up to 110 kilos of force. You don't need anything more than that. Honestly, you don't need this ultimate pedal. It's expensive. I understand that. I get that it's expensive. But if I would have known there's no way I would have known this without trying it. That's one and two. If I would have known, if this pedal would have existed at this price point because it's a little cheaper now. It's a little more approachable. There's nothing cheap about it, but it's a little more approachable than I would have boughten this pedal over one of my wheels, because you get caught up in the whole wheel collecting and matching the wheel, but the magic happens on your brake man. The brake is what gets the car to turn, you know. So that's my two cents on the new Active Pedal Pro and apparently it made a big buzz at the ADAC this year. Michael covered that with us and I was kind of shocked.

Jeff:

It seems like a bunch of companies are coming into the Active Pedal market, which is good. Right, we covered this, we don't need to go back into it. But yeah, can't wait to try it out on Saturday.

Jason:

Yeah man, anytime bro, hey Jeff.

Erick:

Yeah, man, anytime bro. Hey, Jeff, be strong man, oh bro.

Jeff:

Stay strong. Yeah, it ain't happening. It ain't happening.

Jason:

All right. So, eric, I think you're up next here on some comparisons. I mean, we went over what you built because we kind of couldn't wait for that. Um, yeah, but what do you what? What has? How has it been so far? Or do we need a little more and more time? Uh, to compare the pc, um, you know, against the ps5, I guess.

Erick:

Comparison that you have her in here um, right now my comparison is still pretty high level. Um, immediately a hot beat because acc I have them, have it both on ps5 and pc. I wanted to do a comparison between those two and it's actually pretty similar. Um, you do have, like, the increased force feedback frequency on the PC compared to the PlayStation, but outside of that, you know, it's not a world changing difference. The biggest difference immediately is having the option to utilize all of the buttons on the wheel. So I have a GT Neo that I use on there, all of the buttons on the wheel. So I have the GT Neo that I use on there. And when I was talking to Jason and he was introducing me to button mapper, my brain was just going. I realized I'd never used the little jog wheels that are right by your thumbs, the red ones on the GT Neo, if you know about it, the little holes that you stick your thumbs through. They have little jog wheels there. I'd never used them because the playstation doesn't recognize them right.

Jason:

So and even the funky switches.

Erick:

The funky switches, you can turn them. That does nothing on the playstation like it's like you're getting a whole new wheel. Yeah, it's like I have a whole new wheel and, like I said, my just.

Erick:

Really the biggest thing that's immediately noticeable is just being able to customize everything but have access to everything at like the touch of a button and then realizing how much more I could do at the, at the principle button that's why I mentioned the stream deck and all this stuff is like. Is this going to take some time for me to kind of settle and even give a recommendation? Right now I have I can't say pc.

Jason:

I have to agree with that. I think it's too soon, because yeah yeah, it's too soon. I mean you haven't tried. You know all the other sims that that are not on playstation and um, we were just chatting about iRacing and iRacing is a big one. It's a very big one when it comes to car feel Assetto Corsa.

Jeff:

We need to get you up to speed. Yeah, now, you got the Assetto?

Erick:

Yeah, I've tried Assetto. Corsa Tried Race Room.

Jason:

We're going to get you Discord servers though but you got, you got a set of courses set up with Content Manager and all the physics and custom like I said, the rabbit hole is never ending, you're in trouble, so let me clarify ACC oh, acc, alright, fair enough yeah, so ACC is what I tried on the Playstation and the PC.

Erick:

Acc, oh, acc, all right, fair enough, yeah, yeah, so ACC is what I tried on the PlayStation and the PC. I need to clarify that. But yeah, like I say as of right now, it's just I've driven and that's it. I have no, I'm literally just at the tip of the iceberg with the PC as far as customization and what do I like?

Jason:

We need to give you some time with that, because it takes a while to get everything dialed in and make sure and get all the software set up and all the settings dialed in. Yeah, trust me, it'll come, it'll come.

Jeff:

It'll come. It'll come. This is back to the analogy of your house and apartment. Is you move into your? You know you're in the apartment, you've got your last month rent and your first month rent or your mortgage of your house and you're living in both places. And then you finally move out of that apartment into the house and then you're going to look back like man, how the hell do I ever live in that place?

Erick:

You can look back at that PlayStation and be like man, how did I ever play on that thing? Hey, man, there's certain easy. You know, if you want easy, the PlayStation is just like the apartment.

Jeff:

But if you want to make something your own, you know.

Erick:

obviously To your point, man.

Jeff:

And a house 100%, because this will be a good transition to our next topic that I'm going to talk about is here's some NVIDIA Surround issues. I was thinking of you last night or the last week when I was having problems with NVIDIA Surround. I was like man, you know who's not having a problem right now? Eric's not having a problem right now. He's in that SIM driving and I'm sitting over here struggling, troubleshooting the shit out of this thing on why my monitors on the side it wasn't even like it was triple screen, it just was nothing. It was not. I couldn't get my computer to read them. So anyways, buddy, I don't want to jump ahead too much here, as much as I just want to say, dude, I can't wait to hear, um, you know the uh, what you got to say, but anyways, I'm gonna. I'll jump into the, since I, you know, pulled the band-aid off on this topic.

Jeff:

So I, jason gives me a hard time sometimes when I bring up what I think are we should have simple solutions in the sim racing world. He's like, bro, if you only knew how hard it was three years ago to get this stuff, these, this software didn't exist, so I had a problem where I could not get my PC to uh, read my two monitors. So and it's hard to hate on a software when it's the only one around Like there's maybe a the ship, a chicane podcast at gmailcom. If you got a solution, better solution, to Nvidia surround, please let me know, because that software is dog shit. Yeah, it really is. I mean, it just is like like nvidia is like one of the you know huge company and I can't get somebody to update that software, dude like I. Anyways, all right, so I digress. I could not get, so I had to like again. This is like I had to there is none, bro.

Jeff:

Delete the drive delete my graphics driver and like let's just, I mean, I never thought in a million years like a year before I got into some race a year ago that I would be deleting graphics drivers and booting up in safe mode, you know, deleting it, installing it, rebooting it up, at you know a normal. I never thought in I would do that. But like here I am, you know doing that stuff on a on a tuesday night, you know what? Like it's no big deal, but it just is. Like this is the second time and like I don't know three months that I'm having to do this and it just is.

Jeff:

Like it just gets frustrating, man, like I feel like there should be a a better solution, but like jason and I were texting back and forth as I was cussing, I was like he's like, hey, listen, if they played fortnite on three screens or minecraft on three screens, there'd be a solution to this yeah, yeah, because we're just bro, that's. Yeah, we're just very, very small community in the grand scheme of you know pc.

Jason:

Um yeah, so it's just I bet you and nvidia surround probably was not even made for that. It was probably made for something different because not a lot of games are compatible with triple screen rendering it would just stretch out the image yeah, 7500. By 1440.

Jeff:

Yeah, there's not a lot of games that will run that acknowledge that.

Erick:

But yeah, so like it gets even Y'all are a niche of a niche, though. Say again, eric, I was saying y'all are a niche of a niche because even most sim racers don't have triples. So even in the sim racing community. Y'all are a niche.

Jeff:

Yeah, I mean we say triple screens Not to dash our screen.

Jason:

We're running four screens you know that's a fair point. I don't agree with this. I don't agree with that. I believe that the folks that run in single screen are wanting to get that triple screen. It's not like we're a minority.

Erick:

So want and have. I didn't say, we didn't want.

Jason:

So 27s, I didn't say we didn't want.

Erick:

So, 27s, I want to act.

Jeff:

Listen, you're a new bloomer man.

Jason:

You need to calm down Eric. You need to calm the horses.

Erick:

So, like I say, I don't necessarily have to have the latest and greatest, but I definitely investigate it and this is just what I've seen. Sim racing in America is kind of newer and in America we tend to have bigger houses. Greatest. But I definitely investigate it and this is just what I've seen. The majority, like sim racing in america is kind of newer and in america we tend to have bigger houses. Something that I've seen is like a recurring theme for a lot of um sim racers is they're based out of the uk and australia. They just, you know, culturally have smaller spaces. So even like guys with big youtube channels, they're running single monitors because they just don't have the space. Like that, that type of space is a limitation for a lot of guys, outside of the cost and then having a PC that can run triples and you know, even when you watch the, you know the world cup and no GT seven or whatever, they're using a single monitor, gt7. That's actually a question I was going to ask.

Jason:

Well, GT7 is not compatible with triple monitors.

Erick:

Well, I mean even like so, when they have iRacing championships or other sim racing championships, are they running triples or are they running single screens?

Jason:

Yeah, probably like SimSpa Ultraples. Are they running single screens like even? At the sim expo they were running singles if they are, if they're running it from their houses. I'm pretty sure most of them are running triple screens. Every major sim racers running triples because of the, the extra look and see to your right and left out your door, bro, I don't know

Erick:

the best of the best that are doing triples. But as far as just normal sim racers, I would venture to say the majority of them are not running triples. They would love to.

Jeff:

Yeah, I wonder what the statistics?

Erick:

are, but I bet you're right, eric, I bet you're right, there's probably less than 50% are running triples.

Jeff:

If you put an ultra-wide monitor yeah, If you put an ultra-wide monitor.

Jason:

Yeah, if you put an ultra-wide monitor, a good one, what size should we say here for ultra-wide 34? That's not really ultra-wide, that's wide, I mean it's ultra-wide for normal people. Would be like 49. That's an ultra-wide screen. Yeah, the same race as an old-timey.

Jeff:

Sure.

Jason:

Samsung 49. A 34,. You might as well put a regular monitor. You're getting just a.

Jeff:

You might as well just stop wasting time.

Jason:

You're just throwing away money. At that point I'm telling you Okay, so let's say it's an ultra wide Proper 38, 40, 40. This, what I'm running here, is a 42,. Right, this is my desk 42. Okay, triple. You know. Now I'm looking at $1,200 for this monitor. If I got a triple 27 inch, which 27s used to be the gold standard because people didn't have this kind of, I'm not saying that people didn't have that kind of money, I'm just saying that people weren't investing as much money.

Jason:

Yeah, they weren't putting that much money into the hobby. So a 27 inch monitor you can get a 27 for like what? 200 bucks the monitor and times three Expensive. Yeah 600, maybe get a monitor stand 100. You're less than $1,000. So I find it hard to believe that due to cost, maybe due to space, like you said, I agree with the space. I don't necessarily agree with the cost, because unless you're running vr there's really no reason not to. You know, run triples.

Jeff:

Yeah, I mean yeah, I agree back to the back to the topic is dude, I had I I wanted to race this week, but I had to do that and then I was like last night I got in I was like, oh, finally, everything's good to go. I can jump in the rig, do a lap or a race. I jumped in there and I sent a video to Jason. I was like iRacing's open. I have no idea where the window is it was.

Jeff:

I took video. I was like it's somewhere, it's somewhere, it's somewhere, and I had to undo, uh, uh, nvidia surround, which takes 20 minutes, put it back on another 20 minutes I'm exaggerating here right and open up sim racing again and nothing. And then all of a sudden I find um. After I did that, it was like on the bottom maybe, maybe eighth of an inch, I could see the top of the window for iRacing as it went into the sim. Okay, but the problem is is I didn't have it bordered so I couldn't click it and drag it up.

Jason:

So there's probably an easy way to do this everywhere out there. All right.

Erick:

And Jason looks like he's going to jump in.

Jason:

Nope, tried it, tried it to do this to everywhere out there.

Jeff:

All right, and jason looks like he's gonna jump in. Press up. Nope, tried it, tried it. You guys don't know, jeff smart you don't know him. This is the most impatient person I've ever met 100, 100 he. I did text you shortly after and I was like I have found the bowels of reddit posts and found this obscure post that I know, and that's how come I didn't respond right away, because I was like let him it was like if you go into windows secure windows security, this sub tab to you know this.

Jeff:

Drop down and click this box and as soon as I clicked it, boom, it went up. But nothing changed from when I was on the computer yesterday to when I was on the computer the next day and it was all messed up.

Jason:

Yeah I mean this one I, I, I can, I can get behind this one, you know. But jeff will text me for any little thing. My sound doesn't work. I don't know it. It's not that bad, come on. I mean you're exaggerating and then I'll tell him hey, go here, go there. You know what he'll do He'll put headphones on and just leave it like that. And then a week later he's like my sound still doesn't work and I'm like, jeff, you got to fix this, come on.

Jeff:

You know it's true. Half true, bro, half true, like yeah. But I could either get the race and put headphones on that night and I'll figure this out later or I figure the headphones out and don't race.

Jason:

I'm just example, but yeah.

Jeff:

I am very impatient, extremely impatient when it comes to this stuff. I'm like I used it no kidding a couple hours ago. And now it's all messed up.

Erick:

Hey, Jeff said he focused on the mission and the mission is erasing.

Jeff:

I got in that damn ring this is true and I said I was going to race and I'm going to race If I have to wear headphones.

Erick:

Watch this, Eric Watch Ready. This is my switch.

Jeff:

The rant is off. Let's continue the podcast. The rant is off.

Jason:

No, no, no. I got one more thing.

Jeff:

I got one more thing you guys are ready, send it.

Jason:

I'm still firing, eric you ready for this, you ready that soul peck back there. When did you get it, Jeff? When did that come?

Jeff:

in Before Singapore. It came back while I was at Singapore, yeah.

Jason:

But it's been about a month. Right that you got it right. Yeah about that. And did you put all the labels on that wheel? Yet he customizes the LEDs, he, uh, he customizes the leds.

Jeff:

He spends hours. It looks sexy back there, but the buttons that I have a use for, the buttons I have a use for, are labeled. There are a handful of buttons that don't have a label on them yet because they're unused thanks for calling me a video and asked me. I was like I didn't have a use for god, not yet.

Jason:

Still don't I'm telling you man, I can't blame you for that man well, this episode has been on nothing but struggles man this is this is the struggle episode.

Jason:

People struggle on this thing all the time and a lot of struggles, not much reason that I mean we honestly need to get together, and now that Eric's finally here with us, finally we should all get together and kind of do a race or something, at least in the rookies, on a class that I don't really particularly care about. I don't know, I don't know, maybe oval, we'll get into NASCAR, bro, dirt racing.

Jeff:

Dirt oval.

Erick:

I guess we could talk about it offline. I don't know what. All classes are available for rookies. So all of the classes, yeah all of them.

Jason:

It's just that you won't have like the next generation nascar. You ain't gonna be driving no p1 cars as a rookie. I'm gonna tell you right now, because that would be that's death on track, right there dude, I had so much fun driving the rookie class.

Jeff:

The rookie class I mean at least in the, in the formula you did all right it was a ton of fun. Yeah, I mean I wouldn't go back to it now and drive one of those f, f 1600s, but they were fun, the 1600 was still cool though. We did a couple races together on those. Yeah, it was pretty good.

Jason:

It's just that I'm trying to prepare Eric to not think that that's what iRacing is right, because it's easy to say, okay, so this is how the cars feel. They change dramatically and Jeff can tell you the cars significantly when you add all this aero and ABS and all this other stuff, they feel you can't. There's no comparison. So I just want you to know that going in, because if you do a trial, that's what you're going to be stuck with, going to be stuck with. You know, unless you're like me, that I I did the trial and after a month I was already, I already decided that I wanted to stick with it. And then jeff got into it and that motivated, pushed me more to use it and yeah, that that's. It's my main sim now, because acc is on its way out and ace evo is on horizon. So excited for that one, and I think that's that's going to wrap up today's episode. Fellas, it's just the episode about some troubles and tribulations. I think that's what I'll title this one.

Erick:

And sometimes we need to have yeah.

Jason:

Yeah.

Jason:

Just hanging out you know, yeah, just shooting it down. We don't have to be all serious all the time, but I do have a round table, and that is to thank Daniel Morad and to thank Michael Pagliaro, the Sim Racing Den, for all the technical aspects and insights that they had on the active pedal, and they, you know, know, they didn't tell me that a pro was coming out, so I almost, you know, fell for the ultimate. That would have sucked, so, oh yeah. So I mean, if you guys can afford it and you have everything on your rig already, everything then this is your next thing, I'll tell you, because they will make you faster, and that's the thing. They will make you more consistent, and consistency equals fast, and that's about it from me. Eric, jeff, do you guys have anything else before we close this one out?

Erick:

me. Um, eric, jeff, do you guys have anything else before we close this one out? Yeah, I, I have a little one. Um, well, not a little one. Somebody actually reached out to me, uh, michael sutton. He actually found me on on the internet. Um, oh snap, watch the podcast. And he actually found me on one of my tech gentlemen.

Jason:

Uh, videos like oh, that's cool, you big time, oh, wow, yeah yeah, so, oh, you're making headlines eric well, so he so.

Erick:

So he was like uh, I just really said uh, he said hi, dude.

Erick:

Uh, love, love, love your work on the chicane pod. Where? Where is it best to talk to you about sim racing? I specifically have a cart full of some magic stuff right now, but I can't pull the trigger on it until someone tells me it'll work on ps5 and gt and acc in particular. Or help maybe say no, don't buy that, buy this. I've been scouring the internet looking for you and so I I replied to him. Uh, gave him my email address, told me, hey, hit me up. And we went back and forth a couple times. He told me what was in his cart. I told him that's exactly what I have. I convinced him it works and it'll be a great upgrade to what you got. But just wanted to shout him out for going through the trouble of reaching out to me and finding me online and reaching out and also listening to the podcast.

Erick:

So shout out to Michael Sutton.

Jason:

All right, michael Sutton, that's what this is all about. That's cool. And, michael, if you have any further questions for Eric Kelly, you can email the show at thechicanepodcasts at gmailcom and just address it to Eric. And Eric is our console guy, even though he moved over to the dark side now he's not fully converted. We're working him now, we're shaping him, but he will still remain our console guy. He's not getting rid of his PS5. He's not getting rid of his VR headset. He'll still have that stuff for feedback. And there you go.

Jason:

Now I don't know how much you'll be using that thing, but it will be there, it will be there.

Erick:

It will definitely be there.

Jason:

Okay, I'm pretty sure you'll jump in and do some GT7 and switch back and forth, which is the beauty of it. There's no right or wrong. You know what I'm saying? And having both is kind of killer. You can't beat having both, that's for sure.

Jeff:

Know, you can't beat having both that's and I can't be sure all right, michael.

Jason:

Michael sutton, thank you so much. Um, yeah, eric kelly is definitely, uh, what you call this. He's a hard man to come by, so good on you so, and jeff, what about you? Do you have anything else for the show? Before we close it out.

Jeff:

No man, hopefully I'm off my struggles. Just to add to it, I was getting out of my rig last night after I unfornicated everything and just just just nicked the light and my freaking arm broke from my light. You broke the other light bro, oh bro yeah.

Jason:

Now you broke the left one so I have two metal metal metal brackets coming now. So dude it's been is that from etsy the plastic ones?

Jeff:

yeah, we're done with plastic bro, but we're done with it abs, whatever, yeah we're done.

Erick:

We're on to aluminum driving the struggle bus man, I'm gonna drive it fast.

Jeff:

I'm gonna break late for it too, I'm good there you go.

Jason:

Damn, I haven't heard that in a hot minute, that's what's up in a minute yeah, man all right guys.

Jason:

Well again, welcome back, er, and it's a pleasure to be here always and, yeah, today was chill. Sometimes I need to speak, we all need to speak our mind on what's going down, but there's no real right way to do things. Right, you do what you like, but I always tell people try the stuff out for yourself you like. But I always tell people try the stuff out for yourself. There's a lot of reviewers out there and it's kind of hard to make a decision on stuff that you're watching on a video. So take my advice. For example, the stuff that I mentioned on the show about the pedal, it'll probably go in one year and out the other, but until you put your foot on it, until you try the stuff, it's not going to click and Eric can tell you firsthand. I said you don't know. Until you put your hands on it, you feel it, you touch it, you have it, it's there, you're using it and then you kind of understand. So I mean, but yes, this is definitely an end game product, but I will say this and I'll finish it off with this one it's a product. I want to say that you need it. I want to say it's a product. That's the future. It's the future of sim racing.

Jason:

Active pedals are going to replace these types of pedals. It doesn't matter. It doesn't have to be semi-cube. Semi-cube is the first, and it's a brand that I'm a fan of. It's a brand that speaks quality. They make quality stuff and their stuff is tried and true. So if you want something that's well-built, highly recommend it. But I promise you that more iterations of this are coming out. They're definitely coming soon. We saw a sneak peek of the SimMagic version and then we saw a sneak peek of the Moza version. We just need to know what they do. I mean, because we really don't know what they do. We can see what they are. We got an idea, but we need to know what they do and, most importantly, we need to try them and what they are. We got an idea, but we need to know what they do and, most importantly, we need to try them.

Erick:

And what they cost.

Jason:

And what they cost, I mean. But it's like I always said, nice things cost money, though you know what I'm saying. You get what you pay for, remember that. And with this hobby it's yeah, it's a little it's new tech, you know, there's nothing like these, so of course, the price is going to be up there. There's no competition, you know so. And with that guys it's great to have everybody back and the gang back. And to all you listeners out there, viewers, have a great start of your week. Thank you, gang back. And to all you listeners out there, viewers, have a great start of your week, thank you.

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