The Chicane Podcast

Navigating Chaos on Track

• TGS Sim Racing • Episode 16

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Join us on the latest Chicane Podcast, where we celebrate Jason Rivera's incredible milestone of earning his C license in iRacing's formula class. Discover the relentless focus on improving safety ratings and the strategies to navigate first-corner chaos that propelled him to success. Listen to our excitement about driving super formula lights and the new challenges that come with a higher license. Plus, we address the ongoing scheduling issues with Danny Newman Racing and dive into the heated debate over LMU's controversial season pass model, which has created quite the stir in the community.

We then shift gears to dissect the pricing and content of Assetto Corsa Competizione's DLC packs. Is the $50 season pass a good deal, or are you better off buying individual packs? We weigh the pros and cons, providing our take on what game developers should prioritize—new content or enhancing the base game. Tackling another pressing issue, we dive into the implications of anti-cheat software, especially kernel-level access, and we clear up a common misconception about traction control and ABS in Formula One, emphasizing the ban on these aids to showcase driver skill.

Lastly, we break down recent F1 rule changes and their potential impact on the season. From the strict summer break regulations to new time penalty rules, we examine how these changes might influence race strategies. Hear all about the Carlos Sainz incident and the new rule affecting cars that stop outside the pit lane during qualifying. Wrapping up, we share our personal experiences and strategies for surviving first-turn chaos in virtual racing, offering insights that blend both fun and competition. This episode is packed with engaging discussions and practical tips for both real-world and virtual racers. Don't miss it!

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Jason:

The Hello and welcome to the Chicane Podcast, where we discuss all things in the sim racing world. I'm your host, jason Rivera, and I'm joined here by kelly and jeff smart. How are you guys doing today?

Erick:

doing good man, how about yourself?

Jeff:

I'm doing well, gentlemen. I am I racing's newest c license holder in the formula class baby hell yeah, bro, congrats thanks, congratulations, man so wait a minute.

Jason:

Wait a minute. So you graduated before the scheduled promotion, right?

Jeff:

so what did I?

Jeff:

did I got what I'm what I'm referring to as the battlefield promotion uh that's what's up, man yeah, I was just driving a, just a normal f4 class I forget what the track was and got a big jump in safety. It was like a 0.18 and I was like, oh man, like maybe this is doable to get in before the season ends, because you know how, like I forget the number is it three and a half to get to the end before the end of the season? But if you hit four I think I forget the numbers.

Jeff:

But if you hit a higher number safety you can get the promotion like thatseason yeah and I was like oh, if I do that, that'll give me a whole season to just work on b or just really just drive and not have to worry about it. Um, you know crashing, I could really just drive and have fun. Um, and I went for. I just kind of set a goal like, hey, every week I'm going to try to increase the uh safety by 0.1, and uh got it the other day. Uh, so we're rolling, man, we're rolling.

Erick:

We had one race with those uh super formula lights.

Jeff:

Bro, you want to talk about a car? That thing is an animal. But yeah, we can get uh on order up.

Jason:

We got good stuff on the show today no, this is great because I want to let everyone know that you didn't just grind it out. You were actually just having fun, you know, and that's the best way to go about it, because you weren't even paying attention. You were just saying, you were just paying attention to your safety and making sure that is not dropping, that is increasing, and you just kept doing that until you graduated to see. So congratulations, thanks, welcome to the ranks.

Jeff:

There was a stretch there that I thought people were. You know how I usually have my little catch line at the end there drive fast, break late. God, everybody at the first corner of these freaking races goes a little too fast or breaks a little too late. It was like three races in a row, like four days in a row. Every race just crashed first corner and it's just frustrating. But yeah, we got through it. We got through it. But God, it's frustrating when you got like one race for the night but that's all you got in the day and you get taken out.

Jason:

And then you got to stay in the pits, bro, like for like six minutes.

Erick:

Oh, it's brutal dude.

Jason:

Yeah.

Jeff:

It is depressing, depressing. You don't even want to go out, no more. Like what do I like? What's the point? Yeah, and I have to do it to save your, say you know, save your ratings, um anyways, c license let's go, baby, let's go.

Jason:

That's what's up, man, congrats thanks, enjoy a plethora of options now open to you, which is great, you know, because the higher you go, the more options you have, and if there's a track on D license, then you go down to D, or if there's tracks on C, you'll see that it's going to make sense more now. So congrats, and today I have some updates for you guys. As you know, we announced I think it was two episodes ago that Danny Newman Racing was coming onto the show, and thus far we are having time zone issues and scheduling issues. So please, until further notice, I will keep you guys up to date when I have an update on that that. The next, um, the next update that I'm going to share with you guys is on the last episode I spoke about lmu's dlc and I realized after checking that they actually have a season pass now. So the season pass cost 50. So this, that's what I'm, that's what I'm about to get into eric. So now it's going to cost me 90 to play this game when that's higher than retail, and I'll just go over what that includes, right?

Jason:

So you can buy the pack for 50 and it comes with four dlc packs, and the first one is the same dlc that we mentioned on the last one, on the last episode, so I'm not going to mention this a Lamborghini, the Pugo and the Imola track. Pack two is expected September or October, depending 2024, with one track and two hypercars. We don't know what they are. Pack three is expected in december of 2024, again one track and three gt3 cars. So it'll be the first three gt3 cars in the game. So right now they have the hypercar, the lmp2 and the gte car. So now they're adding another class, which is the gt3, and then, finally, expected q1 2025 one track and an additional four gt3 cars. So, eric, jeff, please elaborate on this. Does this mean that we're not going to have a finished product till 2025, or or how are you guys like perceiving this? Like, what do you guys feel about this? 50 on top of the 40? Just to play the game? He's kind of.

Erick:

You know what I mean I, I despise that model, the season pass model like the person that came up with it?

Erick:

the person that came up with that man, uh, I just just want two minutes in a dark alley with them. Man, just everybody's going to it. And what it does is it allows people to release a game that's unfinished and then just milk you for the rest of the content, I understand DLC, but when that's out the gate, the entire model of the game, where the base game is kind of limited so they can shove that down your throat later I don't like it. I don't like it at all, man.

Jason:

So I mean, it's like this right, jeff, let's say you bought the game because right now it's PC only. Right, sorry, playstation guys, there's talks about it coming in the console, though, because they want that console money, I promise you. But, jeff, let's say you buy the game, right, the game drops, it releases, and I get suckered into buying the DLC and you want to race with me. You're like, hey man, what are you racing on? And there's a track from a different pack and a car from another pack. Now you have to spend 24 plus 40 or spend $90 just to play a race online. It's just, I don't like that. I'm just making gamers or or enthusiasts aware of these kind of practices, because this content should be in the game. It should be in the game from day one. So what do you? What do you? What are your feelings on that, jeff?

Jeff:

well, I think society has kind of proven over the past maybe year that when things like when companies do this type of thing, uh it's not well received, like when Netflix upped their price. There's countless things where companies and organizations and things like that just go and raise their prices and or change the plan that you're on or just not what you agreed upon. Society will set you straight, man, and just not support you. And I think that to your point is I don't think you're ever going to get a quote-unquote finished game. Um, I think this is what it is and people need to kind of uh, this is my opinion, just kind of deal with it. This is what you're going to get.

Jeff:

Um, I don't think it is. It doesn't have the reputation in my opinion. I don't. I don't know the game right, so I'm looking through it from everybody else's lens. What I'm seeing on the internet uh for gameplay and opinions is it doesn't warrant a hundred dollars I I mean I with acc out there and some other games to spend a hundred, a hundred dollars to buy a lot of content in iRacing um you know it's If it's on schedule, right, jeff?

Jeff:

Yeah, it just doesn't have the. You know, I guess I don't want to say like the name brand stuff, but when you just aren't up with people, like society doesn't really care for that too much, especially nowadays, you know it's just as it's sad, right, because we all, you know, put a lot of time, effort and you know care into the sim racing community and I'm just not a fan of like people that just aren't up front. You know, like if they came out, what was this like three or four months ago and said, hey, this is our plan, peace Got it. No worries, I'm on board. But just to be, you know, eric, I think you were like you said an episode or two ago, just the transparency is not there, and I'm with you.

Jeff:

Or two ago, just the transparency is not there, um, and I'm with you, bro, like you couldn't, you couldn't hit the nail on the head with that statement. It's just be honest with people and that's, I think, my frustration with this and right, and it's not so much a money thing it's about yeah you know, tell me what.

Jason:

What is your plan like? What are you, what are you trying to do with this? So that way I have some sort of expectation right. And if a you know, a new sim racer comes around and they just spent like thousands of dollars on their setups, now they have to pay more money and to dump more money into this and it's kind of like you know it's, it's interesting. You know what I mean. Uh, so.

Erick:

So I took the liberty of looking up what the you know acc is kind of like the one of the big dogs in sim racing and they have some dlc packs right. They have some stuff you could download came out after the game additional stuff or whatever. Right now I'm looking at their you know dlc because to me 50 dollars is that's just high, like that's a whole nother game. I should get a lot of stuff for 50 bucks for acc. This is just one of the packs they offer right, this pack is 18. In this pack you get the red bull ring, you get the ktm xbow g G2, porsche 935, maserati MC20 GT2, mercedes AMG GT2, audi R8 LMS GT2, porsche 911 GT2 RS. Closed.

Jeff:

Port Evo.

Erick:

That is for $12. That's for $18 and it's on sale for 12.59 right now. But guess what if you pay 50 bucks like this, it's on sale for 25 bucks right now, but the msrp on their entire dlc pack that includes other dlcs is 50 bucks and that is the american track pack challeng Challengers.

Jeff:

Pack British GT.

Erick:

Pack. There's so much content for $50. I don't think they understand how much $50 is.

Jeff:

That's crazy for that list.

Erick:

But I'm going to get off my ramp box. Well, I mean somebody had to do research when they came up with this plan.

Jeff:

It's the season pass, bro, don't I mean, I pay season pass for iRacing.

Jason:

So but listen, I mean, my concern is pack four out of this pack is slated for 2025. So does does that mean that? Where is your focus, right, lmu? Where's your focus? Is your focus on dlc or is your focus on?

Jason:

I agree with jeff, there's no such thing as a finish finish game, right, but give me a launch. At least give me a game that everything works, everything you promised that would work. It at least works to a certain degree. And then, yes, development continues as long as the game is healthy. But again, I don't want to sound like I don't want to sound like I don't want to sound like the show hates lmu, because I own lmu and it's a great game. But I'm just keeping everyone aware. We're trying to keep everyone aware of where the direction of gaming right and how it's and how it's unfolding.

Jason:

You know, we we also mentioned last week about, you know, anti-cheats and I was very like, scared of installing something like that on my pc. And then I did some research and I found out that 427 games have anti-cheat built into them that we've been using right now. Most of them, and most of them are kernel level and ea's anti-cheat only runs when the game is running is what they tell you. So just take that with a grain of salt. You know, and if you're on console, your entire data is being viewed by sony. If sony gets hacked then your entire data is compromised, and I think it's happened before, right with the drm issue back in 2005, eric, I believe If Sony gets hacked, then your entire data is compromised, and I think it's happened before, right With the DRM issue back in 2005,.

Erick:

Eric, I believe it was like yeah, PSN's had a breach. They've had a breach even more recent than that.

Jason:

Yeah, but and then Jeff said you know, seriously, jeff, I spoke to Jeff about it, like you know, on the personal side, offline, and then I said he's like you know what, dude, if your bank, banks are insured and he made a lot of sense money's insured. So I mean, just on your gaming PC I wouldn't do any type of financial things anyway. That's a gaming PC, type of financial things anyway, that's a gaming pc. In my opinion, you should have a separate machine to do personal stuff and your gaming machines should be dedicated to gaming. But well, I mean, that's all I have, really, and there's a save round alibi. Uh, for I like that saying, jeff, that was good you told me that about f1 cars and their tcs.

Jason:

Would you want to cover this jeff?

Jeff:

yeah, uh, an individual posted on the youtube uh feed. Uh, it may have been deleted. So, if if you delete it, that's fine. Um, if there's an error on our end or something happened where it's just not showing anymore, we're just trying to be some true parents, transparency and just you know. Uh, if we make an error, uh, we'll own it happened where it's just not showing anymore. We're just trying to be some true parents, transparency and just you know. Uh, if we make an error, uh, we'll own it and we'll do better next time. But I'm going to read it to everybody. The comments it was about uh, uh, traction control, abs. Uh, when we were talking about that, the F1 cars don't quote me here don't have traction control because they're faster without it. And we had an individual. I'll read it to everybody launch control and fully automatic transmissions were banned again in the 2004 Formula One season, followed by teams being required to use identical electronical control units for the 08 Formula One season to prevent teams from concealing traction controls and other electronic driver aids.

Jeff:

I did a little bit of research on this as well, and that is true. They also got rid of it because they didn't want to. They had to draw, fia had to draw the line kind of somewhere on what was considered a driving skill versus technology. So they kind of drew the line and they said, hey, listen, we want to see the best driver out there. Driver, you got to have skills. You can't have technology cover up some of the skills. So they did away with traction control and ABS. It's, it's all talent. Now that is part of. So, whoever this was, you are correct and I appreciate you. I am smarter for it, um, and I think maybe you know, if you guys didn't know that now you know um, but we'll own it so I just want to.

Jason:

I just want to add something real quick tcs and no tcs. If you can handle a car that's tuned down to zero TCS and you can push it, what does TCS do? It limits the engine power to the tires. If you can control that, you will be faster than the person using TCS. So it actually kind of it made them more intense, right the races, and I believe it made them faster. What do you think, jeff Eric? What do you? You think? I believe no tcs is making them faster to be, honest.

Erick:

That's the thing that came to mind when you said. That immediately was oh, they took tcs away and it was limited to just people that could control the cars. Now everybody's got to be faster.

Jeff:

Yeah, I mean, it's probably both. You know, the FIA was in a win-win here, right, they could tell everybody that this is going to be the best driver and it gave a faster product. Maybe you know, but nonetheless I didn't know that they kind of tied it into the electronic control units to prevent the teams from slippeting it in there, if you will, with the technology Ghosting.

Jason:

Oh, we forgot to turn this off.

Erick:

Oh, that old thing. Yeah, how'd they get there?

Jason:

Oh, we didn't put enough fuel in the car.

Jeff:

Hey, too soon Too soon.

Jason:

Oh, it's too soon that wound should be shut man and I'm talking about russell, it's been long enough, a couple weeks still stings a little. I'm sure he's really stinging about it, but oh, he's probably during the summer break too, oh, I know, and it would have been a great summer break for mercedes all right, so the next portion is going to be jeff. Jeff have a few things to put out on the show, so I'm gonna hand this over to jeff yeah, we are.

Jeff:

Uh, when you're listening to this on monday, we are in the middle of the f1 summer break, uh, so we had a couple weeks. Uh, drivers and crew uh get a little downtime, uh, but somebody that didn't get downtime was the fIA. The FIA, I guess, is this is fairly unprecedented, maybe where they released updates to the rules mid season. So there, these are like legitimate rules that need to be followed the next week Xandor, I forget the track, but anyway. So I'm going to give a quick little read on the new rules. Some of them are pretty technical so I'll just quickly go through those, but there's three main ones.

Jeff:

So the first is brake circuit and pressure distribution, and the rule is any system or mechanism which can be produced systematically or intentionally asymmetrical braking torque for given axles is forbidden. Braking torque for given accesses axle excuse me is forbidden. Uh, so it goes on to further say like I guess there's cars that, as it goes around the corner, provides braking differently than the same tire on that axle on the inside of the outside of the car. Uh, that's pretty wild that there are cars doing that. So it actually calls out uh, let me just read this real quick. This would suggest. Teams have found a way outside of the typical rear or front rear brake bias shifts, most noticeably called brake magic by Mercedes Mercedes.

Jeff:

A team that has been doing something cheeky with their brake mapping or control mapping. It also goes to say that the FIA has discovered other teams doing some type of fishy activity with their brakes as well. So that's gone. You've got to have both sides of the car doing the brakes at the same pressure.

Jason:

Come on, man, mercedes is the fastest in the slow corners, though you realize that, right, Jeff. I mean, they are the fastest ones in the slow turns.

Jeff:

They are, I would say it. But I'm a mercedes fan.

Erick:

But I'll whisper if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying but we don't need to go like there's a lot of rules in, there's a lot of rules in uh f1 that are kind of fishy.

Jeff:

Like to your point about the the weight of the car. Like teams spend hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions, to shave no kidding grams off the car. Everything's made hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions, to shave no kidding grams off the car. Everything's made out of carbon fiber, titanium, whatever, right the paint, then the fia has a minimum weight. The car has to meet I'll say that again.

Jeff:

I would say that again slower for everyone to understand. I sparked a fume and yeah, you did all right, anyways, anyways, let's move on that wound is still man.

Jeff:

Okay so the next one is what's called mule car testing. It's called the TCM or the mule car. Is any track running or using the same components with the current regs or any of the four calendar years fail? Uh falling immediately prior to the calendar year of the championship? Um but modified for the purpose of providing track testing for future products. So I'm not super knowledgeable about this one. I think they have to use an older model to do their testing of new products. So now that they can use the same chassis for this car model for testing for current uh upgrades, um that's wild man yeah yeah, so these are all like real-time updates that you know are happening, uh, in two weeks, uh.

Jason:

So the next one is so, so wait, wait, wait, wait. So what you're saying right now is the next race coming up. These are effective.

Jeff:

Oh, yeah, absolutely so, if you're one of those teams that are using these breaks like you, better get your shit figured out real quick they're gonna be.

Jason:

The engineers are probably staying up late at night.

Jeff:

They can't sleep, they can't go crazy. I don't think they can go into headquarters during the summer break I don't think they can either.

Jason:

They can't touch the car they can get on the simulator though but get on the simulator.

Jeff:

That's about it get on the simulator. Yeah, I thought, yeah, there's very, very like it's incredibly rigid on the rules that they have to follow during summer break. But, um, so this one is super interesting is, um, it's a clarification to 5.4.3 with time penalties. Now maybe says quote in quote may be carried over to the next race as grid penalties. So basically is I'm paraphrasing here is if you get a time penalty and you retire the car prior to serving the penalty, or you retire the car prior to getting the penalty, where you basically don't serve the penalty, that quote unquote may be carried over to the next week.

Erick:

Um, I think I did it this?

Jeff:

who? Who it happened to? I think it was in china with I forget who it was, but they retired the car without serving the penalty. Um, and if I was like, oh contrary, I'm over here, we're not doing that again, um, so yeah, you gotta serve a penalty and then you can retire the car. I don't know how that works. What do you like? Come in, do five, five second penalty, 10 second penalty, do one lap and then come back in. I don't, we will find out, I'm sure you know?

Jason:

Yeah, because to serve the penalty, if it's a stop and go, you have to leave the pit lane. You can't, I think you have to leave the pit lane and do a full lap.

Jeff:

And then come back in. I would just wreck my car to somebody. I'd be so upset. I and somebody would be so upset, I'll turn on the stabbing. The stab is coming. You'd be everybody's hero if you did that.

Erick:

It makes you place a big bet. It's not as bad now.

Jason:

I'll go viral man.

Jeff:

Okay, oh, so I'm sorry. So this is the one that I was thinking about Carlos in China, carlos Sites in China, qualifying. So I'm going to paraphrase the situation. So, um, qualifying did a lap, spun out onto the grass and I believe the the grass was wet, um, but they gave the red flag. But he got the car moving again and made it back to the pits and got to continue in qualifying. Um, so now the pit. The rule is basically, if you stop at all anywhere other than the pit lane in qualifying, you are done. Qualifying you, even if you have like, whatever you have for a time, is your time. Um, you don't get to go back on the track just because you got the car started again. So, um, yeah, so pretty interesting times.

Jeff:

Three rules I don't like that last one. I really don't wow because it's usually function and you're done well so I think what the what the reason they do this is so like, especially during like rain events, if you don't have the right tires on and you're stuck with the wrong tires, you could spin out, quote unquote, get stuck. No, in red flagged, nobody can keep going that has the right tires on and you make it through or you don't drop as far down the pole down the.

Jeff:

You know the pole because you have the right tires on and you make it through or you don't drop as far down the pole. You know the pole because you have the wrong tires on and now nobody else can go around with the right tires.

Jason:

You understand what I'm saying so it's your fault, got you so you could tactically use some tactics there to uh yes, you could they button those up. To make sure that that person that was in first remains in first Gotcha.

Jeff:

Yeah, Anyways it's no better time to be an F1 fan right now. Who knows who's going to win.

Jason:

We don't know what's going on the season right now if you guys are not into it and I'm going to bring you guys back to the first few episodes of the Chicane Podcast Drive to Survive man If you haven't watched that, that will definitely get you up to speed on F1. If you're new to it, it's awesome. And as a sim racer it's great because we're kind of using the same techniques. It's a little more aggressive on the F1 side, but it's, you know, it's theoretically the same. So they're racing tracks that you're racing. That's why we bring F1 onto the show, because it's important, you know it's important and you can actually learn from them too, watching how they take the turns and how they approach turns, even though it's different on the F1 side. But you know, it's basically the same, just with a few changes, right? So we're breaking points and stuff like that. Oh yeah, just a tad faster.

Jeff:

Yeah, I mean to drive to survive. I can't wait. I hope their cameras were rolling. I mean it sucks, but when George Russell found out the news, we won't spill the beans in case people for some reason haven't watched. It's two weeks old now, but the race at spa, um man yeah when george russell was broken.

Jeff:

The news of what happened, uh, that would be, we'll see, we'll have to wait. We'll have to wait till what I don't know, like april, till it comes out yeah, the start of the month before the next season, it's like.

Jason:

It's like the best freaking recap ever made. Oh yeah, period, yeah that yeah, that entire idea is.

Erick:

You know they're taking it to. They got a golf version. Now they've got a version for almost every sport nascar version yeah, nascar is, it's a, it's the ultimate recap. Like you said, they and they focus on the drama and they set the stories up and they follow them around they go home with them.

Jason:

They see them, dude, it's so freaking dope man driving their dope cars man around monaco and stuff yeah I know, yeah, and and if you drive for our, if you drive for ferrari, then you just get a free ferrari just on the house.

Jeff:

Yeah, it's funny that, like, damn if, if you're any of the other other brands, you could drive any other car, but if you drive for a ferrari, you are not going to own another car besides a ferrari. It better be a ferrari, yeah, or you might own it, but you will never get caught. I bet that's in their contract that they can't drive another car.

Jason:

They can't be seen driving anything else.

Jeff:

Yeah, they're not going to see, like you know Charles Leclerc driving, you know McLaren or something, Not just that would be crazy, oh yeah.

Erick:

That would be wild.

Jeff:

Yeah, I can't imagine the guys in Ferrari would be thrilled about that.

Jason:

Those are awesome, man. Thank you for the updates. Man Is there? Is there any more or?

Jeff:

Yeah, uh. So, speaking of the F1, just was at spa this week before the summer break, um, and it's pretty cool. You know, we I think we've gone officially big time Uh, I racing was listening to our podcast. Uh, you might've heard, on our last podcast I was. I was not happy with I racing. Uh, last week, um, I was not happy with iRacing. Last week I logged on and I didn't have a single track that I could race. That was in my content. I mean, I don't know how many tracks I have like 30 and not a single one had a formula race that I had and I was bitter about it. But I vented on that layer and apparently iRacing listened to me because not only did they give me some tracks to race, but they gave me spa. So I want to give a huge, huge shout out to iRacing for putting my favorite track on the back on the map.

Erick:

Uh, I don't think I've ever seen him online this much I think he was on that shit like every day, every time I turned around, I see you like green green.

Jason:

He's online. He's online. I'm like damn jeff.

Jeff:

Yeah, I raced more this week than I probably have. This is the most I raced in a week since I got into it hands down, and the more you race it, man, the better.

Jason:

Like you know what I mean the faster and faster and faster dude, I go to bed and my hands were freaking sore.

Jeff:

I get in bed. I'm like, oh my god, I gotta turn down the. You know the, uh, the, the, the newtons are down, or whatever, to uh yeah, dude, yeah, it was a good week, it was a good ffb down. Yeah, it was. Uh, it was a good week. Got my c drove spa shit ton even got. We got a couple laps, a couple are racing together at spa yeah, we did.

Jason:

Oh, that's dope. We did, and we had no idea that we were at the same track. I just hear jeff on the mic. Oh really, yo, jason.

Jeff:

I was like yeah, there was like like 105 people, you know not in the same one, but we got grouped together and, oh man, just for the record, I even took a picture of it that I qualified in seventh and Jason qualified in eighth. I took a picture of it. I was so pumped.

Jason:

Yeah, he got me a few times there.

Erick:

But here's the problem.

Jason:

I'm going to tell you there's a magical end to this story. I don't want to do it. So Jeff starts talking to me, and this is during the practice round. End of this story, I don't want to. So Jeff starts talking to me, and this is during the practice round. So we're practicing and we're on track and he's like where are you on track? He tried to follow me or I tried to follow him, you know whatever. So then he's talking to me and I'm like with the speakers on, with the music and everything.

Jason:

So I turn on the software to switch to the headset, the race starts and something, a glitch happened and it crashed my entire game, eric and my car, everybody's on grid except for me, and even you know I did my qualifying times and jeff beat me, but I was getting ready to get on the track and the game crashed right. So then I was freaking out. I was like control, I'll delete, find the process, kill it, kill everything. Iracing, restart, join. And it started me off in the pit lane and as soon as I joined the race man, I hear Jeff, oh, we wrecked in the first turn. They were all like eight cars in the pit lane.

Jeff:

I was like damn what happened, Jeff Dude, it was.

Erick:

Hey, I'll say this, man it warms my heart to hear that even in our racing the first turn is still a disaster.

Jeff:

Oh no, oh, my God.

Jason:

I feel like.

Jeff:

I need to. I feel like first corner Before the race and like we're waiting. The 45 minutes it takes for everybody to hit the grid button is hey, good luck everybody. How about we just take it easy in the first corner? Like I feel like I need to say that just hey, everybody, take a deep breath. The race is more than the first corner.

Jason:

I know the tires aren't even warmed up. It doesn't help, it's got cold tires. Tires aren't even warmed up.

Jeff:

It doesn't help tires, yeah, it doesn't help. Spa's first corner is 180 degree, you know up the chicane into a you know two chicane. It just it's not ideal. I got it. It's freaking brutal.

Jason:

Man is dangerous to that first lap and the.

Jeff:

Thing is gt7 eric, is it like that first, first turn pile up in gt7 oh, yeah, yeah, especially depending on on the track and the split.

Erick:

So like about when mount panorama was one of the dailies and they do rolling starts in gt7, so we do grid start to do rolling start. So you might have people who are starting at the 90 degree. That's their first. As soon as the buzzer goes, they're doing a 90 degree and as soon as the game starts, especially with the new physics, you just see people just spinning out and raining Chaos. Yeah, pure, pure chaos, man. So my unintentional strategy is I qualify near the back, so that way I got everybody in front.

Erick:

And so the disaster is and I can just kind of navigate through. And then you know, in GT7, when you spin out, go off track, you turn into a ghost. So I just go on through.

Jeff:

And for the first half of the lap I'm going to, qualify and laugh again, all right. We're going to talk about this real quick. So, Eric dude, it is so funny you talked about that, here we go.

Erick:

I can't believe it. I got so freaking mad.

Jeff:

Two nights in a row I did two races every night.

Jeff:

So two nights, four races in a row, rear-ended first corner, I have to drive my steering wheel crooked around the track, go into the pits three minutes in the pits, right? Because some person decides to go a little bit too fast and breaks a little too late. So I was like you know what, I'm going to start in the back and I'll let everybody take each other out and I'll go. And I think one of mine came into like P7. He made go and I and I think one of my came into like p7. He made it to p7, bro, yeah, and I told a couple races like that.

Jason:

So me and jeff and I tell jason he gets on my case about it. I got on his bro, I got on his ass for it. I was like, listen, you can get away with that shit in the d class, but the but the people that are driving on the higher level, they're not going to. The lap times are so close together. The start is important, but I get it, I understand, I understand.

Jason:

There's a lot of dumb people driving. I said it, there's a lot of dumb people driving on the road and we're just trying to have fun and do our race. Yeah, man, nobody wants to be stuck in the damn pit lane Nobody, or the grass or the dirt. And then you can't even make it back right. So the car is freaking destroyed. And in iRacing you have to make it back to the pit. You have to, and if you don't and you just just teleport back, there's a little thing that comes up that says towing and that shit's like an extra minute gone just because you couldn't make it back.

Jeff:

Dude, yeah so even that's a strategy I did race the c class and I didn't do that in c class, fully qualified, and there wasn't a single wreck the whole race. I mean, there was like probably spin outs and stuff, but there wasn't a pile up on the first lap and I was like it's a little better. These are some serious dudes in this.

Jason:

You'll still, you'll still find a holes out there, though, jeff, I mean just being honest with them there, they're out there, man, but you know they're technically.

Jeff:

yes, you're the man for bringing that up. I appreciate it. I took so much crap from Jason during the week.

Erick:

Dude, I owe you man, hey man, I feel like this is not a podcast right now. I feel like this is an intervention or something, because this is count two. So look, this is count two. When you, unless you are qualified like P1 or 2, I don't know if it's worth it, Because I qualified I did my laps and I qualified P5, p6, mid-tech I felt like I was at a shooting range with no gun. I'm looking behind me.

Erick:

Looking in my mirrors, I'm like this dude is about to torpedo past me in his first turn. It's stressful, it is stressful.

Jeff:

That first quarter is stressful.

Erick:

I'll say this when you get around some guys that actually know how to race, they know the track, know how to control the car, it's fun, you're actually able to just focus on making moves and doing stuff like that.

Jason:

When you actually make it out the turn and you're like three deep or piled up, and then after turn one, turn two, everybody lines up straight away. Yeah, that's fun, but that's not what's been going down in the deep class at all. It was a rough stretch. I look at my rear mirrors and I just see cars in the air it's funny shit until it happens to you and then it's not funny, no more and you can hear everybody cussing on the bikes like yeah, that's the thing.

Erick:

I'm guilty of that too, because you don't have proximity chat right.

Jason:

No, but it's open chat.

Erick:

No, not proximity.

Jason:

But it's open chat, so anybody can just press a button and it's like your mic is hot. No filter, bro. It's a lot of cussing in iRacing.

Jeff:

I tell you it's a lot of cussing, like every other race.

Jason:

So yeah, so it's a lot of coffee, I mean, like every other race. So yeah, so, and I'm just gonna add one more thing and we'll move on right guys, but the the. It's cool because now we have three perspectives we have iRacing, gt7 and I'll cover the ACC LFM. So iRacing is always. I've never seen a rolling start in iRacing is always. I've never seen a rolling start in iRacing. I've always seen just a start from the grid. And you said there's a rolling start in GT7, eric, and in GT ACC. I think it's a little better because in ACC you're forced to do a formation lap, so you have to do a whole lap around the track and that gives you time to warm up the tires. So you'll see people speeding and breaking and weaving, kind of like f1 style. But other than that, um, the first turn is.

Jeff:

This is bad don't matter how you start. This is the first turn of the first turn, so I mean, what I said had absolutely no value. It's just, it's the same shit.

Jason:

So, anyway, it's like it's that famous line actually. Let me do a correction you, there are some races where you have absolutely no value. It's just the same shit.

Jeff:

So anyway, it's that famous line Actually let me do a correction.

Erick:

There are some races where you do grid starts.

Jason:

I can't think off the top of my head which ones there are in GT7.

Erick:

There are some that do grid start.

Jason:

The only thing I don't like about GT7 is the pit lane. You cannot drive into the pit lane Once you drive into the pit lane the car auto drives.

Erick:

I hate that. Oh yeah, they just do like a cut and you pick your tires and refuel. See what stuff.

Jason:

Yeah with acc and I racing you have to brake check. You got to put your pit limiter on. You could break the rules.

Erick:

It adds more stress to come into the pit now gt7, if you7, if you were in the pit lane before the auto stuff takes over, you'll get penalized. If you go outside of the, if you speed in or if you I don't know about the speed, but I know if you cross the pit threshold you'll get penalized, it's like five seconds or something like that.

Jason:

Oh yeah, so for the white line. I think in iRacing racing is a stop and go penalty. It's bad. It's like 15 seconds you got to pull into the pit, stop and literally just wait there and then go get it right this time oh, you're gonna learn, you're gonna learn. Yeah, you're gonna learn the same way.

Jeff:

Trauma teaches, yeah, so it doesn't matter.

Jason:

The first corner sucks that. That is the. The. That's what I'm gonna title this.

Jeff:

You can't win the race in the first corner, but you can lose it.

Jason:

There you go so talking about gt7 eric, uh, any updates on weeklies over there? What's going on in gt7 in general?

Erick:

so yeah. So gt7 last week, uh, the actually the daily races, they got a lot of flack. A lot of flack last week. Um, there was one, you know, daily race b was was cool, but the rest of them they had to drive driving this older Honda Formula car and it was on comfort soft tires. It was just a disaster. There was force feedback issues specifically with that car. It was crazy. This week, I think, it's safe to say, they redeemed themselves, because we have our normal three daily races. The first was Road Atlanta, it's three laps. The second one is Big Moon Bay, and it's six laps. The third one, though, is a doozy. The third one is the Nürburgring Endurance, and it's six laps.

Erick:

So that's depending on how fast you are, and also it has dynamic weather, so it can be, that's easily you know, yeah, like the fastest people, they're getting it done in like 52, 54 minutes, and that's depending on the weather, like how much rain. Uh, one person they were driving and I think it like started getting dark weathers driving and it started raining. So this is a very intense race and six laps around the nurburgring. You're that's a long race, right, and so it's I'm gonna.

Jason:

Well, I don't know you have to try it, but come on, you got to like you say that first turn, like with the nurburgring.

Erick:

It's so many turns that feel like the first turn, man, because you got to get it on the track yeah, yeah, it's uh, it's gonna be interesting what is the grid size over there?

Jason:

what is the grid size on that, on that weekly? Do you know?

Erick:

on that one. It is. I think it's 12 cars. If I'm thinking, okay, maybe more. I have to double check. I think it's. I don't know. I think it might be 12, 12 cars more than that might be more than that okay, yeah, all right.

Jason:

Well, I want to hear updates on this on the next episode. Definitely, absolutely, yeah, I think I'm a. I think I'm uh you should live stream it for sure yeah I don't want to, I don't, I don't want to see it, man, I'm sorry, but you should give me something to watch, man hey, so, yeah, so I'll do that.

Erick:

And because I need help with, like, the pit strategy too, because you know we're at the pit and at some point you can go from you know intermediates to wets or you know, depending on you know you have the radar, we can see the actual weather coming in and kind of look at it, depending on how much it's going to rain and how heavy it's going to be, whether you go to which tire. So there's a lot of strategy in there. It's fun. It's fun, all right, it's fun. Alright, man, I've been watching some streamers who are good and they've been sweating when they get done.

Jason:

It's a good workout, man.

Jeff:

Yeah 30 minutes in the rig is it's a workout. It's probably hot because of the monitors and stuff, but yeah, 50 minutes at the Nuremberg.

Jason:

Yeah, but he's wearing a VR headset, bro. It gets hot as hell in that.

Jeff:

VR headset.

Jason:

Oh shit, yeah, that's a good point, and that's hard on the eyes too. I don't know how you're going to deal with an hour so.

Erick:

I've done an hour, but it hadn't been like in one single race. You know, consistent Like put on a headset and hop from race to race and qualify and all that stuff, but yeah, just one time. So for me I feel like that would be a great use of an hour, just because I highly respect the Nürburgring and I feel like that'll be just almost like practice, like getting to know it a little bit better. But yeah, I'm going to do it.

Jason:

I think it'll be fun that will be man and if you do decide I don't want to blow his spot up right eric's. Eric's my boy. But if you do decide to stream and you record it in the vod, because this will be out on monday and, if you would like, I can share it, if you decided to, so we could put that in there for people to go in there and have a good time. You know what I mean. And see you working the rig bro.

Erick:

Yeah, man.

Jason:

I need to start a learning to drive series Optional. I don't want you to feel pressured if you got to stream or not, but you got to play it so that you can update us on what happened.

Erick:

Absolutely, that'll definitely happen.

Jason:

All right, fellas. I think that's about enough for today's episode. We're cutting it short on the time, so the round table, mr Eric, is up, jeff Eric and Jeffff nothing here, man ready to happen to read there you go hey, drive fast, break, break a little earlier okay, there you go.

Jeff:

Be careful on the first turn yeah, drive fast, break, break late, except for the first turn Right, definitely so, as you guys heard at the start of the episode.

Jason:

Thank you for all the feedback we've been getting. We've been getting feedback on the YouTube channel. Please email us at thechicanepodcast at gmailcom for anything Questions, stories I want to hear it all. If you have a bad lap, like me that had many bad laps, like not putting enough gas in the car, you know I want to hear about that stuff so we can cover it, because it's stuff that happens and it's it's things that you may overlook or something you know. And, of course, any first turn woes we want to hear exactly.

Jason:

You want to hear them first turn. Woes.

Erick:

Yeah, tell us the track, all of that, we want to hear it.

Jason:

Just come clean. Just the sooner you speak about it, the better you'll feel Trust me Get that therapy.

Jeff:

It's like confession.

Jason:

There you go. That's the right word confession, so yeah. So thank you both for joining me today again. And yeah, have a great start of the week, everybody, and take care of yourselves.

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